<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts --> <!--X-From-R13: Zvat <Y.Z.Zb-94Nfghqrag.yobeb.np.hx> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:57:44 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.SOL.3.96.990114134422.6335A-100000@sun-cc203 --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 010c01be3f55$69203100$55e5edd0@dev-18.chilisoft.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00160.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00162.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00160.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00229.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00161">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00161">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00161">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Ling <<A HREF="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:54:59 +0000 (BST)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > I'd be lying if I pretended getting something into Koster's laws isn't one > of my primary motivations in many of my posts on this list. Raph's list of > laws lies firmly in an area that I've always given a lot of thought to, but > I *still* don't have anything in there, which really bothers me. That said, > I'll fire off my current candidates and then go hide from the flying > tomatoes and cabbages. ;) From the above statement comes: "Your players won't bother playing your mud unless they can pose to other players." :) I admit I feel quite chuffed whenever I get quoted anywhere, after all, I'm only some random person in the crowd. I think this is quite a large motivator for combat muds where item, equipment and gunk are acquirable assets. Ever popped onto a mud and had a higher level player take you on a tour of his kewl abilities? [snip insightful bits] > The theory of player relativity: > No statistic has meaning without comparison. Unless you know where the other > players are, where you happen to be is completely irrelevant. This is true e > ven in games where there is no score or statistic, because when you do not > provide a way of measuring performance, the public will invent one > externally. > > How benchmarks are built: > When no measure of quality is readily provided, a measure of quality will be > invented by a player who performs well under that measure. It will be > supported by others who perform well under it. If there are enough of those > people, the rest of the playerbase will conclude that this is the "correct" > measure of a player's skill. This becomes the de facto object of your game, > and you will be blamed for its every ill while those who created it will > take all the credit for its successes. > > Peek-a-boo: > If the player cannot see it, it does not exist. If you do not display a > level, then your game has no levels. If you do not expose a system, there is > no such system. If no secret item has been found, there are no secret items. > If no score is displayed, the game has no score. I feel this contradicts with the previous two. Is that deliberate or am I missing something? | Ling Lo (aka Lethargic Lad) _O_O_ kllo#iee,org </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00151" HREF="msg00151.html">[MUD-Dev] Thoughts</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" <caliban#darklock,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00160.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00162.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levels versus Skills, who uses them and when.</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00160.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00229.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00161"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00161"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00231" HREF="msg00231.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 20 Jan 1999, 21:53 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00234" HREF="msg00234.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Wed 20 Jan 1999, 22:26 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00151" HREF="msg00151.html">[MUD-Dev] Thoughts</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 14 Jan 1999, 00:36 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00160" HREF="msg00160.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</A></strong>, James Wilson <a href="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</a>, Thu 14 Jan 1999, 03:32 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00161" HREF="msg00161.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</A></strong>, Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Thu 14 Jan 1999, 13:57 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00229" HREF="msg00229.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Thoughts</A></strong>, Hal Black <a href="mailto:hal#moos,ml.org">hal#moos,ml.org</a>, Wed 20 Jan 1999, 20:59 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00116" HREF="msg00116.html">[MUD-Dev] Monthly FAQ Posting</A></strong>, Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Tue 12 Jan 1999, 16:07 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00667" HREF="msg00667.html">[MUD-Dev] Monthly FAQ Posting</A></strong>, Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Sun 21 Mar 1999, 10:23 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00111" HREF="msg00111.html">[MUD-Dev] GRASS GIS Web Site</A></strong>, Elis Pomales <a href="mailto:pomales#caip,rutgers.edu">pomales#caip,rutgers.edu</a>, Tue 12 Jan 1999, 06:50 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>