<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Subdue --> <!--X-From-R13: Vbyyl Ebzzre <ufbzzreNzvpeb.gv.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:26:25 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.HPP.3.91.990127151725.2114A-100000#emu,micro.ti.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 36AFEFAC.59BA#dial,pipex.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Subdue</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00308.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00310.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00307.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00327.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00309">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00309">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00309">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Subdue</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Subdue</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Holly Sommer <<A HREF="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:24:21 -0600 (CST)</LI> <LI><em>cc</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Richard Woolcock wrote: > Quzah [softhome] wrote: > > >Holly Sommer wrote: > > >> *ding* *ding* *ding* :) Wouldn't it be a far greater challenge to > > >> _subdue_ your opponent? I mean really... you don't shoot a wild horse, > > >> you "break" it :) > > > > > >Aye, but how do you keep track of how 'broken' the horse is?? I'd bet > > >it relates closely to what most of us now use as HP :) Well, what I was thinking of is a bit more complex than that, but let me see if I can elaborate (ie: think out loud for a moment). Subduing would be akin to the purpose of wrestling - that is, determining who is the better wrestler, without having to kill your opponent. The Roman gladiator approach of "last one left alive wins" is hackneyed :) If you can get to a point at which fighting is paused, where the current "winner" of the fight (least beat-up?) has the opportunity to either finish off his opponent or let the other guy cry uncle... well, I should think that takes more finesse than just clubbing someone in the head, til they are a bloody pulp. For NPCs I could see this as practical to strip off aggro bits, or to convert a pack animal into a legit mount. For PCs, it would serve as humiliation without death. The "I spared your life, now go, you pitiful excuse for a warrior, or I'll finish off what I started here" attitude. Anyhow, that's more what I had going through my mind than tracking how "broken" a (N)PC is, over time. > powers). Although players cannot fall below -10hp, they *can* loose > arms and legs, and this has resulted in various "punishments" that go > far beyond simple PK. Most players are able to grow back lost limbs > in one way or another though. Still, this results in very much a sort > of 'subdue' combat, with killing only an option. "What are you going to do? Bleed all over me?" -Holly </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00307" HREF="msg00307.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Richard Woolcock <KaVir#dial,pipex.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00308.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud reviewing</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00310.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud reviewing</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00307.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00327.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00309"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00309"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud reviewing</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00348" HREF="msg00348.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud reviewing</A></strong>, Andru Luvisi <a href="mailto:luvisi#andru,sonoma.edu">luvisi#andru,sonoma.edu</a>, Tue 02 Feb 1999, 07:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00349" HREF="msg00349.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud reviewing</A></strong>, diablo <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Tue 02 Feb 1999, 08:00 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00303" HREF="msg00303.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>, Quzah [softhome] <a href="mailto:quzah#softhome,net">quzah#softhome,net</a>, Wed 27 Jan 1999, 05:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00307" HREF="msg00307.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>, Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</a>, Wed 27 Jan 1999, 19:59 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00309" HREF="msg00309.html">[MUD-Dev] Subdue</A></strong>, Holly Sommer <a href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</a>, Wed 27 Jan 1999, 21:26 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00327" HREF="msg00327.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sun 31 Jan 1999, 01:12 GMT </LI> </UL> <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00350" HREF="msg00350.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>, Trillion <a href="mailto:trillion#mudhole,spodnet.uk.com">trillion#mudhole,spodnet.uk.com</a>, Tue 02 Feb 1999, 11:43 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00299" HREF="msg00299.html">[MUD-Dev] ADMIN: Off-topic and the ever present reminders on quoting.</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 27 Jan 1999, 01:28 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00288" HREF="msg00288.html">[MUD-Dev] Stock Mud Demographics</A></strong>, ##Make Nylander <a href="mailto:thenewt#use,usit.net">thenewt#use,usit.net</a>, Tue 26 Jan 1999, 17:21 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>