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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: combat </LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:30:22 -0800 (PST)</LI>
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On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:29:20 -0800 (PST)
> diablo <diablo#best,com> wrote:
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> > Assuming I'm playing a sadistic player, why would I not just kill
> > the person?
>
> Usually becasue actually killing another player's character is either
> difficult or involves repurcussions to your character that are
> unwelcome. Quite a bit of fun can be had on the repurcussion side:
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> -- make the character increasiningly unlucky or difficult to
> advance/play.
This seems like the sort of thing that players term 'unfair' and is
generally accepted by them as unfair.
>
> -- make the character increasingly unable to defend against attacks
> from characters played by that player in the future.
Same as above. It doesn't make sense to say that you'd learn more from
dying to me than I would from killing you. And, if enough time passed
between the combat encounters by players A and B, then presumably (I'm
speaking in in-game terms here) their fighting styles would have shifted
enough so as to make the specific knowledge gained from fighting the other
guy not so valuable anymore.
>
> -- increment some sort of "sin" value which (dependent on threshhold
> value typically) raises some sort of feared threat (eg Island's court
> system).
This one I like.
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> -- In M59 style, launch revenants against the killer.
I don't know what revenants are, but that sounds pretty arbitrary. I don't
think players like arbitrary. If you couch the "bad-ass, justice-dealing
NPC comes after you" in terms like a court or guards of a city, then
players are mostly willing to accept it.
<much text about combat snipped>
Your proposed combat system does sound interesting from an entirely
different angle than what I was speaking of. I can see how the rush of
trying to avoid getting killed as a several-hundred-hour character is
quite potent. Your system is different enough from mine that I don't have
any of those small doctrinal quibbles with it. In fact as you described it
the only thing I think I wouldn't like is the lack of continuity in
character (basic complaint of mine with perma-death systems I guess). I
like history and to see players play a long time, etc, even if they are
semi-rabid killers. Still, every system has its disadvantages and yours
sounds like a lot of fun.
I was not aware that MUD2 had people sinking hundreds into a character
they could permanently lose. I suppose if players started knowing they
could lose their characters it might be ok, but it's really the sort of
thing I would personally hate as a player, and so it's something I'd
rather not do. (doesn't fit in with my system of combat anyhow)
--matt
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00296" HREF="msg00296.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>,
diablo <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Tue 26 Jan 1999, 22:50 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00326" HREF="msg00326.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sun 31 Jan 1999, 01:04 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00330" HREF="msg00330.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>,
diablo <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Sun 31 Jan 1999, 02:29 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00333" HREF="msg00333.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00334" HREF="msg00334.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>,
diablo <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Sun 31 Jan 1999, 07:30 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00337" HREF="msg00337.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>,
Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#nospam,dial.pipex.com">KaVir#nospam,dial.pipex.com</a>, Sun 31 Jan 1999, 19:10 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00301" HREF="msg00301.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: combat</A></strong>,
Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Wed 27 Jan 1999, 02:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00248" HREF="msg00248.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: list "peerage"</A></strong>,
Dominic J. Eidson <a href="mailto:sauron#the-infinite,org">sauron#the-infinite,org</a>, Mon 25 Jan 1999, 10:01 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00250" HREF="msg00250.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: list "peerage"</A></strong>,
Michael.Willey <a href="mailto:Michael.Willey#abnamro,com">Michael.Willey#abnamro,com</a>, Mon 25 Jan 1999, 15:02 GMT
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