<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xba O. Znzoreg" <wyflfvapNvk.argpbz.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:07:06 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199803230006.SAA14193@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199803030701.BAA14805@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Reference: 199803201852.KAA05108#under,engr.sgi.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00831.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00833.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00794.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00842.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00832">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00832">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00832">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:09:32 -5</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 20 Mar 98 at 10:58, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:53:29 PST8PDT > Jon A Lambert<Jon.A.Lambert#ix,netcom.com> wrote: > > > Should perception be based solely on the object being perceived? I > > think a great deal of perception code/responsibilty(?) belongs to > > the perceiver. > > > Perhaps the perceiver sends a message to the object: > > > Me--> Sting.look("and BTW I'm a drunken, one-eyed, deaf, heroin > > addict, with a fetish for bright colors and ladies clothing") > > > Object--> Me.Sting("There are a few valuable and beautiful jewels ^^^^^^^ Dunno what I was thinking here! It makes little sense. > > here glued to a metal object. You'll be partying tonight!") > > > Or not... > > That is almost exactly what I do for all senses: > > viewer -> object: May I sense you? > object Do I want him to sense me? Yes/no. > > Of course kick back if no. > > object -> container: Would you affect a sense report from me to > viewer? > container -> other objects in container: Would you affect a sense > report from object to > viewer? > other objects -> container: yes/no/how > container -> object: yes/no/how > > This is of course recursive for multiple levels of containment. As I > also have multiple parallel forms of containment, this also recurses > down those lines. Yes the multiple-parallel aspect is interesting. What about combining this with more abstract and temporary containment mechanisms. For instance, using the Neighborhood as an assembly and brokering point for sensory information. :) Viewer -> Neighborhood "May I "generally" sense this place" Neighborhood -> "Sure hang on" or "Get lost chump you're deaf, dumb and blind. Go play pinball or something" If OK Neighborhood -> Buildings, Terrain, Crowd "Would you like to expose yourself to the viewer" Crowd -> membership "Hey anybody does this veiwer sense you" Member1 -> Crowd "I am just a nameless face" Member2 -> Crowd "ditto" Member3 -> Crowd "You bet HE does, I'm a long-legged, buxom red head" Crowd -> Neighborhood "OK here's the dope, the viewers eyes are drawn to a voluptuous..." Terrain -> Neighborhood "This is a street in the city" Buildings -> Neighborhood "Sure there's an apothecary here, a tavern with a sign..." Neighborhood -> Veiwer "OK terrain is blah, buildings blah blah , there is crowd that is blah blah blah" For a more specific request: Viewer -> Neighborhood "Hey about this redhead dame with the fantastic gams" Neighborhood -> Crowd "Hey veiwer is ogling some redhead dame; you know anything about her?" Crowd -> Neighborhood "No can do, not here. (She split the scene with a this hunk of a dwarf)" Neighborhood -> Veiwer "Sorry chump you lost sight of her in the crowd, you keep dreaming" -- --/*\ Jon A. Lambert - TychoMUD Internet:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com /*\-- --/*\ Mud Server Developer's Page <<A HREF="http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc">http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc</A>> /*\-- --/*\ "Everything that deceives may be said to enchant" - Plato /*\-- </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00883" HREF="msg00883.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Vadim Tkachenko <vt#freehold,crocodile.org></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00865" HREF="msg00865.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> J C Lawrence <claw#under,engr.sgi.com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00842" HREF="msg00842.html">[MUD-Dev] Old code</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Joel Dillon <emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00674" HREF="msg00674.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Jon A. 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Lambert <a href="mailto:Jon.A.Lambert#ix,netcom.com">Jon.A.Lambert#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 03 Mar 1998, 07:01 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00794" HREF="msg00794.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Fri 20 Mar 1998, 18:40 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00832" HREF="msg00832.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Mon 23 Mar 1998, 00:07 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00842" HREF="msg00842.html">[MUD-Dev] Old code</A></strong>, Joel Dillon <a href="mailto:emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk">emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk</a>, Mon 23 Mar 1998, 14:38 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00844" HREF="msg00844.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Old code</A></strong>, Michael Hohensee <a href="mailto:michael#sparta,mainstream.net">michael#sparta,mainstream.net</a>, Mon 23 Mar 1998, 16:19 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00865" HREF="msg00865.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 23 Mar 1998, 21:42 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00883" HREF="msg00883.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Wed 25 Mar 1998, 05:11 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>