<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xba O. Znzoreg" <wyflfvapNvk.argpbz.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:12:05 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199801120611.AAA04214@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3.0.32.19980110090126.00c1f954@online-alchemy.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00204.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00206.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00188.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00024.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00205">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00205">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00205">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:13:24 -4</LI> <LI><em>Comments</em>: Authenticated sender is <jlsysinc#popd,ix.netcom.com></LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 11 Jan 98 at 20:21, Mike Sellers wrote: > > Another way to look at this is contained in the story of Beowulf, as it's > changed over the centuries. As I understand it, the story progressed along > lines something like this: > > 1) We went out. We killed the monster. > 2) We went out. We killed the monster. We came home and got drunk. > 3) We went out. We were scared. We killed the monster. We came home and > got drunk. > 4) We went out. We were scared. We killed the monster. We saved our > village. We came home and got drunk. > > Most RPGs/MUDs/etc are at 1) or 2) above: just the external facts, perhaps > with a little heroic celebrating. The addition of the internalization > evident in 3) is signficant, and is the beginning of real theater, > roleplaying, and satisfying fiction. With 4) we see the beginning of the > addition of the theme, the human-mythic context that makes the story > *meaningful* and adds human context to the string of events. That, I > guess, is the kind of thing I'm going for in my games (tabletop or online). > I continue to think that there is immense commercial and human value in > this, but that actually doing it is no easy feat. > Cheers! I think this is an excellent example of the point at which game-only playing metamorphs into role-playing. -- Jon A. Lambert "Everything that deceives may be said to enchant" - Plato </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00188" HREF="msg00188.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Mike Sellers <mike#online-alchemy,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00204.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Wild west (was Guilds & Politics)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00206.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World]</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00188.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00024.html">my bio (was Re: [MUD-Dev] Mud-Dev FAQ)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00205"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00205"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00145" HREF="msg00145.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</A></strong>, Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Fri 09 Jan 1998, 18:11 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00158" HREF="msg00158.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</A></strong>, Mike Sellers <a href="mailto:mike#online-alchemy,com">mike#online-alchemy,com</a>, Sat 10 Jan 1998, 01:00 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00177" HREF="msg00177.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#zesoi,fer.hr">silovic#zesoi,fer.hr</a>, Sat 10 Jan 1998, 15:32 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00188" HREF="msg00188.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</A></strong>, Mike Sellers <a href="mailto:mike#online-alchemy,com">mike#online-alchemy,com</a>, Sat 10 Jan 1998, 19:17 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00205" HREF="msg00205.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Mon 12 Jan 1998, 06:12 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00024" HREF="msg00024.html">my bio (was Re: [MUD-Dev] Mud-Dev FAQ)</A></strong>, Mike Sellers <a href="mailto:mike#online-alchemy,com">mike#online-alchemy,com</a>, Mon 05 Jan 1998, 06:11 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00023" HREF="msg00023.html">Who's bugging who? : was- Wild West</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sun 04 Jan 1998, 20:44 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00020" HREF="msg00020.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Circumstances & Situations</A></strong>, Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</a>, Sun 04 Jan 1998, 01:15 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00019" HREF="msg00019.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Mail from mud Update :)</A></strong>, Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</a>, Sun 04 Jan 1998, 01:10 GMT </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>