<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Administrative Responsibilities --> <!--X-From-R13: Uert [hag <tertNhav-pbea.qrzba.pb.hx> --> <!--X-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:39:12 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.LNX.3.91.980131171139.198I-100000@uni-corn.demon.co.uk --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Administrative Responsibilities</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00358.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00360.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00373.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00362.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00359">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00359">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00359">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Administrative Responsibilities</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Administrative Responsibilities</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Greg Munt <<A HREF="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:53:08 +0100 (GMT+0100)</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Yesterday I was harassed and victimised on a Circle derivative. (I wonder what it is about me that attracts this behaviour? Anyway...) This consisted of repetitively summoning me, repetitively killing me, creating newbies with insulting names, and using them too, to kill me. Additionally, they used their clients to spam me with tells for approximately 20 minutes. There were about 5 or 6 people involved. The administrators of said mud do not log anything. Initially, their reaction to my complaints was to say that they could not prove that it had happened, and so could not do anything about it. I stated to them my beliefs: Communication and human relationships are the two things on which the success of all muds depend. They also - inevitably, without any deliberate attempts on the part of the administration - cause development of a society. All societies require rules for their members to abide by, or chaos reigns. ("But chaos is good!") Chaos in which harassment and victimisation is legitimised by inaction. Chaos in which pain, suffering and emotional trauma result. ("I came here to get away from mud politics.") Politics are generated by communication and human relationships, something which has been agreed to be required by a successful mud. Therefore, the fundamental existence of politics within a successful mud is implied by the features that make it successful. Politics cannot be prevented within a society which has social rules. It has been agreed that the lack of social rules results in a chaotic society whose main attributes are legitimised harassment and victimisation, causing pain, suffering and emotional trauma. That muds are an Internet medium, and not 'real life' does not mean that so-called victims do not suffer in a real way. This is because communication and human relationships, although played out in an 'artificial' medium, still do cause 'real' feelings in the participants. I also presented my expectations of an administrator's responsibilities, in this repect: The position of administrator carries certain responsibilities. If you do not want to get involved in mud politics, in dealing with social problems, do not accept an administrative role, on *any* mud. ("You misinterpret my role here. I am concerned only with maintanence of the server and its database.") It is common - one might say essential - for a successful mud to maintain an administrative hierarchy. Those at the very top of this hierarchy need to maintain interests in all things that might influence the success of the mud. Since communication and human relationships are fundamental to this, those at the top of the hierarchy need to be concerned with these things. They do not need to deal with them, however. They may certainly (and perhaps should, so that they may concentrate on things that their skills best suit them for) delegate some of their responsibilities towards attempting to prevent social problems. Specifically, towards attempting to prevent users to become emotionally traumatised by chaotic individuals, and thus leave the game, decreasing the muds popularity. This, however, does *not* mean that they may dicharge their responsibilities to other parties. Members of the top level of the administrative hierarchy, should only delegate. They are fundamentally responsible for the entire game, including any society which may develop. (Note that I did not imply 'creation' of any kind of society.) Remember: for evil to flourish, good people need only do nothing. I was told that my attitudes were not shared. That users must deal with things, or leave. I was also told that there was something wrong with me, if the activities of certain other players caused me distress/trauma in real life. So, I left. My question: should mud administrators neccessarily feel any responsibilities, in the manner of which I have described above? Are they simply maintainers of the server and its database, or does their position *demand* that they take an interest in social issues too? Should players expect protection from social problems - such as harassment and victimisation - from administrators? If protection is not offered, are players reasonably entitled to deem the administrators unworthy? Do administrators have any responsibilities to the users of their software? Note: last year, Martin Keegan may have contacted you, regarding a project entitled The MUD Documentation Project, or The MUD-DP. (Also known as The Mud Pool.) This was something being discussed by myself (who acted as editor of submissions), Martin Keegan, Matt Chatterley and Niklas Elmqvist. I am considering putting certain ideas generated by these discussions (gathered from the 80-100 emails-worth of discussions that I have archived) into action. Niklas (now a former member of this list, but soon to return) has already agreed to become a contributor. I actually have a link to the intended site in my design docs, on the web (see sig). If you are still interested in participating, please let me know. Anyone else, who was not originally contacted, who are interested in this, please contact me directly, and I will attempt to complete a definition of the project's 'Mission Statement', which may turn out to be quite different to that planned by the original MUD-DP (narrowing of focus, mainly). Also, by permission of the list owner, I'd like to ask if anyone has knowledge of the IT industry in the Bahamas. I am engaged to a Bahamian, who eagerly wishes for me to move there, but I am concerned as to how this will affect my career (or even if there is a chance for any kind of IT career there). My experiences are 15 months work placement with Mainframe Cobol/DB2, 18 months of hobby C++, and n months of commercial C++/DB2 on AIX (I was offered a job yesterday) - this may also involve experience with Oracle, VB, Uniface, Win95 and NT. I may also be assisting in the development of quality procedures for the company. (Although they do not have any business reasons to become accredited by any organisation, at this time.) If you could help, I'd really appreciate it. I may be away for a few weeks, incidentally, because I'll be going to the Bahamas for a week or two, before I start my job. -- Greg Munt, greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk "I'm not bitter - just twisted." <A HREF="http://www.uni-corn.demon.co.uk/ubiquity/">http://www.uni-corn.demon.co.uk/ubiquity/</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00362" HREF="msg00362.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Administrative Responsibilities</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> "Jon A. Lambert" <jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00358.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] MetaVoice, MetaFont</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00360.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items (was: Graphic MUDS/Ultima Online)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00373.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Following in the footsteps of JCL</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00362.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Administrative Responsibilities</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00359"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00359"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00365" HREF="msg00365.html">OT: Following in the footsteps of JCL</A></strong>, Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Sun 01 Feb 1998, 16:17 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00366" HREF="msg00366.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Following in the footsteps of JCL</A></strong>, Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</a>, Sun 01 Feb 1998, 18:11 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00369" HREF="msg00369.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Following in the footsteps of JCL</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Sun 01 Feb 1998, 22:51 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00373" HREF="msg00373.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Following in the footsteps of JCL</A></strong>, Marc Eyrignoux <a href="mailto:Marc.Eyrignoux#efrei,fr">Marc.Eyrignoux#efrei,fr</a>, Mon 02 Feb 1998, 18:01 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00359" HREF="msg00359.html">Administrative Responsibilities</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 31 Jan 1998, 22:39 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00362" HREF="msg00362.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Administrative Responsibilities</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sun 01 Feb 1998, 08:49 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00364" HREF="msg00364.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Administrative Responsibilities</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sun 01 Feb 1998, 14:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00368" HREF="msg00368.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Administrative Responsibilities</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sun 01 Feb 1998, 21:42 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00358" HREF="msg00358.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] MetaVoice, MetaFont</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sat 31 Jan 1998, 07:05 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>