<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xba O. Znzoreg" <wyflfvapNvk.argpbz.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:31:17 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199802130536.XAA14616@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.96.980210190347.267A-100000#shamen,cyberhighway.net --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.91.980211110303.66E-100000@uni-corn.demon.co.uk --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00446.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00448.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00431.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00453.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00447">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00447">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00447">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:39:02 -4</LI> <LI><em>Comments</em>: Authenticated sender is <jlsysinc#popd,ix.netcom.com></LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 11 Feb 98 at 12:12, Greg Munt wrote: > > This is something I've wanted to post on, for a number of weeks. My own > project will be shoving out all of the development docs onto the web: > specification, design, testing, etc. Shoving out the source code would be > a natural extension of this. BUT. > It's not necessarily a "natural" extension. Well maybe only natural in the mud world. > I am wary of what will happen to my code - what it will be used to create > - once I have made it available to the general public. > I don't see why one would need to release source code to get the advantages you seek below... Why not release the server as an executable. I don't see why this wouldn't be a suitable distribution for programmable servers ala LPs, MOOs, etc. Even hard-coded servers can be released with portions in pre-compiled libraries. > Advantages: > > The potential of really widespread beta testing Binaries can also widely beta tested. > The potential of discussions about various elements of the > specification, design or implementation being produced, which can only > help the project. I don't see this being a source code issue. It's more a question of documentation availability. > Allowing people who can't or won't code, to be able to run something > that they otherwise could not. Again not a source code issue. > Potential design suggestions from these non-coders. Again not a source code issue. > Disadvantages: > > Code misused. Billions of exact replicas spring up everywhere. "Oh god, > another stock X-MUD..." Bearing in my mind my strong aversion to this > scenario, this is the main cause of my concern, really. Advantage -> binary distribution with registration key... Misuse or fair use? > Everyone can see how bad my code is. It's not that bad, honest. Same for binary, except they note how often it crashes. > If, by some quirk of fate, it becomes a popular base, my mailbox will > be bombarded with questions from clueless newbie admin. The result is > what I call "Re: George Reese". Same for binary. Perhaps a bigger disadvantage unless one is wise enough to trap exceptions and create meaningful error reports and dumps. > If it becomes popular, and is misused, its name (and mine) will have a > bad reputation. Shrug. You could include the proviso that was in the Sun Java contract. The one about not using the code to produce chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. ;) > > It's not a legal requirement to follow the distribution license. Even > if it was, could I really afford to sue thousands of people (presuming > the code became popular)? And would I want to attract the inevitable > negative publicity to myself and the game, through such legal actions? > (See: TSR) Certainly binaries can be cracked and reverse engineered...yet licenses are more enforceable against the clueless in this area. I don't see how this relates to TSR, they never really engaged in any legal activities with individuals. It was also a much fuzzier issue than many software licenses. Of course if add stuff relating to standards and responsibility of good mud administration into a distribution agreement your liable to get a similar negative popularity rather easily. -- --/*\ Jon A. Lambert - TychoMUD Internet:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com /*\-- --/*\ Mud Server Developer's Page <<A HREF="http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc">http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc</A>> /*\-- --/*\ "Everything that deceives may be said to enchant" - Plato /*\-- </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00453" HREF="msg00453.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Greg Munt <greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00398" HREF="msg00398.html">No Subject</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Ben Greear <greear#cyberhighway,net></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00405" HREF="msg00405.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Greg Munt <greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00446.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Linux g++</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00448.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Clients</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00431.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00453.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00447"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00447"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00439" HREF="msg00439.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Thu 12 Feb 1998, 19:10 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00445" HREF="msg00445.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Fri 13 Feb 1998, 00:48 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00454" HREF="msg00454.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 14 Feb 1998, 00:10 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00431" HREF="msg00431.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Stephen Zepp <a href="mailto:zoran#enid,com">zoran#enid,com</a>, Thu 12 Feb 1998, 08:36 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00447" HREF="msg00447.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 13 Feb 1998, 08:31 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00453" HREF="msg00453.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 14 Feb 1998, 00:10 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00457" HREF="msg00457.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 14 Feb 1998, 03:33 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00460" HREF="msg00460.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 14 Feb 1998, 13:37 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00489" HREF="msg00489.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Mon 16 Feb 1998, 11:57 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>