<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) --> <!--X-From-R13: Xb Rvyyba <rzvylNgurybavbhf.arj.bk.np.hx> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:12:53 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 19981023110957.A10774#thelonious,new.ox.ac.uk --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.SOL.3.96.981023090855.14571A-100000#licia,dtek.chalmers.se --> <!--X-Reference: 98102305451802.11568@d185d1e96 --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Communi</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:emily#thelonious,new.ox.ac.uk"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00392.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00394.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00392.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00422.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00393">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00393">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00393">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Jo Dillon <<A HREF="mailto:emily#thelonious,new.ox.ac.uk">emily#thelonious,new.ox.ac.uk</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:09:57 +0100</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> James Wilson (jwilson#rochester,rr.com) spake thusly: > > Dunno if this helps - several years ago I implemented a bare-bones server > using dynamically-loaded native-code modules. Each module had a set of > dependencies which would be automatically loaded before it. The dynamic-linking > phase connected symbols in each module to symbols in other modules, and > everything was happy. (Note that some systems' dlopen only resolves symbols > from dynamically-loaded modules to the main executable, so inter-module > linkage had to be done by hand with dlsym. I think the issue was with the SGI > dl* functions.) There was no need for message-based communication; you could > directly call methods and functions in other modules. The bootstrap module > loaded other modules by name, so didn't have to know anything about them (this > was controlled by a text file). This sounds like a sensible way to do things. I really do think that we should pay attention to speed as far as possible; we should be able to cope with computationally-intensive muds which implies as much efficiency in the server engine as possible. > This worked pretty well, but forced me to write plugins in C++. The obvious > solution was to translate a mud-lang to C++, then to a shared library, then > load it in dynamically... at this point I ran amok with language issues and > never really recovered. Personally I think that having a scripting language which is converted to native C or C++ for heavily used code is the way to go; I actually implemented something like this on a very experimental basis. > James > > -- > MUD-Dev: Advancing an unrealised future. -- Jo Harmony - the project to create an LGPL Qt clone <A HREF="http://harmony.ruhr.de">http://harmony.ruhr.de</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00388" HREF="msg00388.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Niklas Elmqvist <d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00392" HREF="msg00392.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> James Wilson <jwilson#rochester,rr.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00392.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00394.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00392.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00422.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00393"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00393"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00375" HREF="msg00375.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 02:52 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00380" HREF="msg00380.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 03:41 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00388" HREF="msg00388.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Niklas Elmqvist <a href="mailto:d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se">d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 07:35 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00392" HREF="msg00392.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, James Wilson <a href="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 09:56 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00393" HREF="msg00393.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Jo Dillon <a href="mailto:emily#thelonious,new.ox.ac.uk">emily#thelonious,new.ox.ac.uk</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 10:12 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00422" HREF="msg00422.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 21:28 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00376" HREF="msg00376.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 03:01 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00383" HREF="msg00383.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 04:01 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00395" HREF="msg00395.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 14:10 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>