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<H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</H1>
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<LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI>
<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Jo Dillon <<A HREF="mailto:emily#thelonious,new.ox.ac.uk">emily#thelonious,new.ox.ac.uk</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:09:57 +0100</LI>
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James Wilson (jwilson#rochester,rr.com) spake thusly:
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> Dunno if this helps - several years ago I implemented a bare-bones server
> using dynamically-loaded native-code modules. Each module had a set of
> dependencies which would be automatically loaded before it. The dynamic-linking
> phase connected symbols in each module to symbols in other modules, and
> everything was happy. (Note that some systems' dlopen only resolves symbols
> from dynamically-loaded modules to the main executable, so inter-module
> linkage had to be done by hand with dlsym. I think the issue was with the SGI
> dl* functions.) There was no need for message-based communication; you could
> directly call methods and functions in other modules. The bootstrap module
> loaded other modules by name, so didn't have to know anything about them (this
> was controlled by a text file).
This sounds like a sensible way to do things. I really do think that
we should pay attention to speed as far as possible; we should be able
to cope with computationally-intensive muds which implies as much efficiency
in the server engine as possible.
> This worked pretty well, but forced me to write plugins in C++. The obvious
> solution was to translate a mud-lang to C++, then to a shared library, then
> load it in dynamically... at this point I ran amok with language issues and
> never really recovered.
Personally I think that having a scripting language which is converted
to native C or C++ for heavily used code is the way to go; I actually
implemented something like this on a very experimental basis.
> James
>
> --
> MUD-Dev: Advancing an unrealised future.
--
Jo
Harmony - the project to create an LGPL Qt clone
<A HREF="http://harmony.ruhr.de">http://harmony.ruhr.de</A>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00375" HREF="msg00375.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 02:52 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00380" HREF="msg00380.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 03:41 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00388" HREF="msg00388.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Niklas Elmqvist <a href="mailto:d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se">d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 07:35 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00392" HREF="msg00392.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
James Wilson <a href="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 09:56 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00393" HREF="msg00393.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Jo Dillon <a href="mailto:emily#thelonious,new.ox.ac.uk">emily#thelonious,new.ox.ac.uk</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 10:12 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00422" HREF="msg00422.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 21:28 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00376" HREF="msg00376.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 03:01 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00383" HREF="msg00383.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 04:01 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00395" HREF="msg00395.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 14:10 GMT
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