Oh! Come and see the peace inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being reconciled!

Thank you, Kiasyn.

At the risk of sounding me-five-ish, thanks Kia. :smile:

Just speaking for myself, I'm not sure we need announcements for this kind of thing. I think a note in the thread itself would suffice. I would imagine that these are innocuous enough that people don't really care. I think the intention was that people wanted notice of things that affect people more significantly, and not waste time posting notices for very small things. But other people might care about threads moving, so please speak up if you do…

I wasn't going to but was told to, so did.

Given that some things that seem insignificant to one person are often quite significant to another, I think it's probably a good policy to just record all moderator action.

What I meant is that it's already announced explicitly. The reason this thread came up is that many things have happened without any public notice whatsoever. If people really want to see thread notices, I guess the moderators can spend time recording them, but perhaps if nobody says they want them, it's not necessary. Just IMO, though. Doesn't bother me beyond clutter. :shrug:

At another forum I visit, the software in use there will leave a stub in the exact location in the forum section that the thread was originally posted in, once moved. I.e, the stub topic name is "Moved: (insert topic name here, minus the parenthesis)", and the post count, recent post, views, etc fields for the stub are a single hyphen; clicking on that stub will automatically redirect you to the original thread in its new location. That way, no particular announcement is necessary, and anyone going back to that section directly to check on the thread will know that it was moved and can (by entering the thread) see what section it now resides in.

The reason I mention this is that, from what I can tell, the forum software here is not leaving any such stubs within the original section. Such a thing may be an update to consider.

Edit: Also, Dean, you missed the other AoH release thread. Figured you'd want to know that, having moved one of them already.

Congrats to Dean Orrin and HK. I'm sure you'll all do a fine job.

Now that the congrats are out of the way, lets forgive and forget the disagreement that took place on the past couple pages. Innocent mistakes were made and some people overreacted. We all know who did what here so lets not dwell on that and just move on to happier days with our three new moderators.

I went out of town this last weekend (Mayhem Festival in Dallas, woot!) and this was my first chance to check the forums all weekend.

I'm glad to see things have calmed down since… I could probably say I'm sure that I speak for the other mods and myself when I say thanks to the congratz (and condolences :p) given by the other members.

This will be a bit of an adjustment and transition period for us all, from the Administrators, to we the new moderators, and the users, but I'm hopeful that the changes made over the last week and the discussion that's lead up to all of this will positively benefit the site and everyone that uses it. I also understand that there may be a growing pain here or there as we all adjust to this too, and I hope that we can all exercise a bit of patience and understanding during this.

As Dean said we've been asked to record all actions we take as moderators in the new forum section. I agree it's probably overkill to post notices of actions as benign as moving a thread to a more appropriate forum, but I don't see that it does any harm and if some users are going to find those notices beneficial I'm happy to take the extra time to post them.

This brings up a concern for me, which I can't remember as having already been addressed earlier in the thread or not: Will the recording of moderator activity be something that all the moderators are going to adhere to, or is it something that only the new moderators are doing?

Also, are these notices going to be posted promptly after/before the actions are performed, or is there likely to be more of the aforementioned delayed posting going on with it?

All moderation actions will be recorded, and it's expected to be recorded by the person doing it. And it's also expected that this will be as soon as is reasonably possible after the actions are performed.

Has any process been established for moderators taking various forms of action? If not, is it in the works to do so? And in either case, will the procedure be made public so that people know what to expect? (I assume/expect that actual per-case deliberations will remain private.)

We're still working on it.

Yeah, what you describe is par for the course in most other software I've seen used. We'll have to look into what's needed to do the same in QSFP. It does have a "stub" left behind - sort of - if the option to do that was selected. It's not very obvious though because all it'll be is one of those tiny folder icons with a green arrow indicating it got moved.

How much concern is there regarding post moves? Is anybody bothered by the idea of things being moved (with messages saying so in the thread) without some kind of official announcement? It seems like it's a fair bit of extra work and process, and if nobody actually cares about it…

I think it would be better to record them just incase someone does have a dispute.

Obviously there's a bit of debate going on about which way to handle topic moves. Either way, I introduced a code change for topics moved and the link preserved in the original location. They should now be a bit more obvious. In addition to the tiny little folder icon with the green arrow, a moved topic will now say "Moved" next to its title in the forum listing and the "replies" and "views" totals will be blanked. The new location of the topic will display as though nothing happened to it, like it does now.

I don't think there's debate. I'm just asking if anybody cares, and so far the response has been "well, somebody might…". I'm not telling people not to care, I'm just asking if anybody actually does. :wink: It seems to me that the point of all this moderation stuff was to deal with some of the more controversial issues that have arisen; in the entire time I've paid attention to MB I don't think anybody has ever even mentioned threads moving.

I personally don't care to see the board clutter up with notices of thread moves and/or splits, because that's usually pretty obvious and is also a non-punitive action. It's made more obvious now that the forum will display it more clearly that something got moved - provided it was moved with the option to leave a link behind. Splits more or less speak for themselves and we've always made some kind of effort to say "hey, this is split from …" when we do it.