I for one am quite glad you chose them. I suggest we not make a mountain of this molehill.

Could be. As long as that PR person isn't sitting up late at night distracted by other things and thinking the other guy who is doing the same is taking care of what got left undone. Maybe now that there's more people in a position to handle that sort of thing this won't be as much of a problem in the future. :)



I'm all for that.

I'll have to do nothing of the sort, and you can think I'm unreasonable about this if you like, but the way I see it is that so long as you have the power of an administrator you also have the burden of responsibility that goes along with it. That means keeping your frustrations in check and dealing with issues appropriately (i.e, be the solution, not the problem). If you can't handle that then how can you (reasonably) expect anyone to respect you as an admin?

I'm not sure what the issue is here to be honest. I mean, yes, they were picked. Yes, no announcement was made yet. However, as far as I can tell they haven't actually used their modships. I'm not sure there was any expectation that at the moment moderators were picked the public would be told. The fact nobody was told, in my opinion, seems to be a non issue with this in mind. I suspect an announcement welcoming them before actual moderation would have happened had the cat not been let out of the bag.

This is derived from my dislike of the "carebear" attitude that's risen up. "equal rights" screamed in a place where "equal rights" never existed, due to it being specifically so. You can either accept the fact that a Mod has the power to change what you say, or carry on like a pack of babies. Compromises have been made, but yet I still see comments that derisively ignore their existence. Almost as if… you like the drama… Fancy that.




Entertainment, you silly man.


The majority of it is true, which is why I wrote it AFTER checking their posts. It was an exaggeration, obviously.


Gee, you don't say. Also, I'm disagreeing with you, not trolling. Making that distinction is necessary. There are several ways to do it, even if you're unfamiliar with anything short of direct statements.


Wise words.

Well, to that, the only question I have is this: If one constantly does things to annoy others, including the admins, how can they expect to get any respect from those people? Why should they not expect to be treated in the manner they are treating other people? Or has our society devolved to the point where the "golden rule" has long ago been melted down for the gold value?

In my book, if users give no respect, they get no respect. It seems pretty simple to me.

Man, I think we're going to need some mods in this thread soon…

On the contrary, you made no disagreeing comment whatsoever, choosing only to engage in a fallacious attack. There are several ways to meaningfully contribute to a conversation, even if you are unfamiliar with them. This sort of thing is not one of them.
If you disagree with me, you might try stating what you disagree with so I can actually engage you on that subject rather than lecture you in form. If you wish to continue this discussion, I will do so only via PMs as I see no need to derail this thread further.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to counter-retort and then declare you'll take it to PMS?

Wouldn't the logical step have been to take it to PMs in the first place, if you were actually worried about it?


But there's really no need. Some of us are interested more in good-natured bantering than in another internet fight. :lol:

Crat…you are not. But nice try. :grinning:

The person cannot reasonably expect a higher level of conduct out of regular posters, but when it comes to admins it's well within their right to expect the admins/moderators to have the good sense to not stoop to their level. After all, no administrator should have that "eye for an eye" attitude you describe. Yes, the burden is upon both the regular posters and the administrators to act responsibly and help foster a good, decent community, however that burden is first and foremost upon the shoulders of said administrators as they are meant to be the primary pillars of their community who will set good examples for others to follow.

If I'm elected, I shall have my PM's routed through a filter like this.



PS: No fair shrinking it down so far…. :)

Thanks for the warm welcomes. :lol:

Congratulations fellas.

You have fun now, y'hear.

If I say it as though it's impossible, then perhaps you act as if it were impossible that people are actually upset with some things that have happened here.

I really wish that occasionally you were able to back down from some position you stuck yourself into, instead of continuing to believe something even after having received clarification. :sigh: Seriously, you talk of people moving on; can you move on too? Is it so hard to say that it was a mistake without also blasting people for being unhappy about the mistake? Are our egos here too big to allow a simple constructive apology? :sad:

I'm sure that people would be extremely happy to apologize for initial overreaction to what was perceived as a "stealth move" if they weren't being blasted for being malcontent "bad apples" in the process. Actually, moving on from the blame game might do the entire site a fair bit of good, but of course that requires work from everybody.


I think your post simultaneously congratulates while explaining why, in reality, not congratulations but condolences are perhaps appropriate. :smile:

Hmm.. I don't think you really understand what people are cross about. Remember that post I did where I said people don't like to not be told things? I really don't think anyone's got a major problem with who you've chosen. Well, maybe one or two people are a bit startled but, well, they'll get over it. The impression I get from IMC is that mostly its been accepted.



So _you_ are allowed to get upset but no one else is? That smacks of double standards there dude. And "absolutely nothing" in who's opinion? That's a little condescending as well.

Listen, you didn't tell people. That was your mess up. A mistake is fine, that's what I was talking about "process" for before, so there is less room for mistakes. However, you didn't even apologise and that's just rude! Although I haven't taken offence at anything you've done (quite frankly I don't care any more really), can you not see how this could be inflammatory and detrimental to the mood of the community? To pick an analogy, even TV stations apologise for mistakes they make: they don't launch adverts proclaiming how badly their viewers are acting when they write in to complain*.. that would be, well, ludicrous. I expect if they did, sooner or later their viewers would just switch over.

Somehow I think you just seem to have the ability to make things worse, when all that is required is that you actually step off… What you should have done was to just start a new thread, make an apology and announce the changes… no one would have been able to say you weren't a human or unable to account for your mistakes in that way.




* i know its a bit contrived, the analogy only stretches so far :S however, if a tv station behaved like you did for whatever reason, it would be silly. plus, in this site, people have more of a vested interest in how they are going to be censored, so can you not see it?

On behalf of the MUDBytes Administration I would like to apologize for the lack of announcement. We are still working out the powers, the kinks and figuring out the system and were preparing to do an official announce when we were ready. We are still setting things up, so watch this space.

Thank you, Kiasyn.

I was going to say the same thing when I first noticed yesterday, but I wanted the apology to stand in the forum on its own for a while before I did.

My I now also add my own thank you as well to Koron's.

I refuse to accept Kiasyn's apology. No really though, thanks Kia. :P