ROFL. That's why two threads have been locked because of you in the last week, right?

And for someone making fun of someone else's grammar, spelling, and punctuation, You missed something very important:


I took the liberty to bold, and italicize your mistake.


He's honestly more likely to get flamed over there for it being a DBZ themed mud then for his spelling, etc.

Kayle wrote:


As far as I know, HK's last locked thread wasn't locked for flaming.
I'm not aware of the other one. What was it?

Kayle wrote:


It doesn't look to me like HK is mocking.

I think it's also important to point out that there is a very big
difference between an occasional typo/grammar slip and a
demonstrating a consistent disregard for grammar and
spelling throughout the entirety of an ill-composed post.

I think HK's point is valid. I don't think a couple of typos/slips
come close to undermining it. He wasn't playing "gotcha", he was
making a good point in what looks to me like good faith.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net

Damn, Who took the duct tape off your mouth… There goes all the fun and helpfulness.

Isn't that a bit of an overreaction to the post in question? I mean, can't we at least try to move on? :rolleyes:

Sorry, I'm not biting my tongue either. The to you so inaccurately claimed his sentence needed was indeed not necessary. You can indeed ask someone, do something. You do not need to ask them to do something. Learn English better before pointing out errors that aren't errors. It's preference in style of writing, nothing more. Also there's a huge difference from one spelling and/or grammatical error in an entire post and the type of widespread lack of attention to detail that was in the OP's post. I'm sure you can tell the difference? No? Then you really need to step back from the screen, turn off the power and go get yourself a lobotomy as it has become evident that logical thinking is not for you. Also no he wouldn't be more likely to be bashed on TMC for it being DBZ than for the poor spelling/grammar. There have been a few occasions of well written posts for DBZ MUDs that were given 5 stars by most everyone that read them and were not flamed in the slightest. People are flamed there, the same as anywhere else, for the content of their post, not what their post is actually advertising (with the exception of Soleil's posts, no one likes her…).

Actually, Kayle was correct… The form you are referring to would be that of direct dialog, in which case quotation marks are necessary. E.g., Fred asked George, "what time is it?" As opposed to Fred asked George to tell him the time; or, Fred asked that George tell him the time. While Hades was making a polite and potentially helpful post, and had a minor mistake in it, your flame and insults ("logical thinking is not for you") go really poorly with an unfortunate attempt to correct a correction. :wink:

Yeah, as Crat said, I know of one thread that was locked because of me (and it wasn't for flaming, it was for stating a controversial political opinion), but what other one was locked for flaming?



How was I making fun?



Like wise, I'll take the time to bold and italicize your mistake:



That comma is unnecessary. Do you really want to play this game? I really find it quite boring. It also does nothing to make any sort of point. If I were needlessly flaming this guy for misplacing a comma, forgetting one apostrophe, leaving out a couple of periods then sure, you'd have a point. For a post I didn't proofread and one that I wrote right before going to bed after a long day, I'd say I did pretty well if that's all you could find wrong with it.



I humbly disagree with this. As Drizzt pointed out, there have been well written DBZ MUD ads that have been treated with quite a bit of respect on the site, while almost every advertisement for staff I've seen written like that hasn't passed a day without being jumped on.

I was simply trying to be helpful, giving what I felt to be solid advice on someone confused as to the lack of response to his post. I appreciate most of the other posters being able to see that and saying as such.

What was your agenda? Trying to look cool by picking on the guy who recently had a thread locked on him?

I think you owe me apology.

Let's show the world the MUDing community can be civil and we can forget this ever happened?


Back to the topic at hand, in addition to seeking help from here, TMC and anime related sites, I also believe there are some Circle heavy resource sites as well where you might find someone more interested in building for the codebase than the theme so much. Isn't The Builder Academy based on teaching builders how to work Circle OLC? I don't know if you can advertise there, but if so you might look into that as well.


Edited to make the quotes work right.

honestly i went through all this on here before

i suffer from dyslecix dysgraphia
i post from work so spellcheckers and the like are not an option

when working on a mud i do thoughly spelling and gramar check everything taht i create

but as for simply posting on a forums its jsut not worth the enormous effort involved

i try and spce things out so they are easier to read but aside from that its a forum not a college disertation


now if you dont mind how about we get off the topic of my spelling and gramer on a forum post and stay on the topic of me find builders for the mud






Some Food for thought

( and on a side note what if i was the mud coder rather than builder/ administrator ? what sense would attacking spelling and grammar be there ? a coder doesnt need to construct proper typed sentances as long as he can construct proper typed code )

Spelling and code punctuation is very important when coding. I can't type out "sprintf" correctly, can't capitalize where it is needed or can't place my commas within many of my functions right then my code isn't going to work. Sentence structure is very much the same type of thing as code structure just with different rules.

Besides, no one is attacking your spelling and grammar. There is a big difference between pointing something out and attacking. For anyone going into developing a MUD, that's a very important distinction to be able to make. Likewise, not everyone is going to know or remember you have "dyslecix dysgraphia" so despite that, how you post is going to make an impression on people about what your game is like. Is it unfair? Probably, but that's the way people are going to view it.

The issue of spelling/grammar is really the same issue as you finding builders for your game.

What might save you a ton of trouble is to mention your disorder in your signature so that people won't continue to make an issue of your spelling/grammar, and so people that might be interested in building will understand that your spelling/grammar isn't a result of simply not caring and is certainly not an indication of the quality of your game. That would probably help you quite a bit in finding builders.

I'm not attacking you, not flaming you, not trying to hurt your feelings… I'm genuinely trying to help you maximize your chances of accomplishing what you are trying to accomplish.

The question isn't what your role is in the game; it is what impression of the game's staff is given, without prior knowledge of the 'dyslecix dysgraphia'. Somebody who makes the occasional mistake is easily forgiven (we all do it), but somebody who makes constant mistakes gives a very different impression. Hades's suggestion of putting it in your signature is a good idea.I have some memory of somebody mentioning it at some point in the past, but clearly it was forgotten and will probably be forgotten again. Remember that the only reason this was brought up is because you asked why nobody had responded; there are several potential reasons and this is just one of them.

i often do have it in my signatures although it is often overlooked anyways . That said i did add it to my current signature in hopes of avoiding it later

And I think you know the difference between a personal attack and a criticizing post. Leave that kind of crap out next time. It may be par for the course elsewhere but it's not here.

The fact also remains that he would indeed have been just as likely to be flamed and attacked for being a DBZ MUD as he would have been for less than perfect grammer. But drop it already. He explained it, this doesn't need to go on any longer.

no offense to all of you but any chance of a mod jsut removing all these additional posts or simply deleting this thread so i can recreate it w/o all the things that might accualy drive off anyone who might otherwise be interested ?

Sorry, I generally only swing by here once a day so it seems that I missed out on my timely opportunity to chime up in your defense about the spelling and grammar, but as a coder, I have to take exception to this statement, Spider. While my spelling and grammar (and that of my fellow coders out there) may not "matter" within code comments, and clearly the code itself requires a very different sense of "grammar" than any other practical use of English might, you (and your fellow builders) and players alike would be pretty unhappy if I couldn't handle correct spelling and punctuation within all the text that gets outputted to the mud by the code. Whether it be something as simple as the mud responding to an unknown command with "Huh?" rather than "wud?" or more complex things like the auto-quest mob giving out quests clearly without sounding like he's a foreigner..

And no, David, this is not either an opening nor an invitation to bring up the affect/effect SMAUG debate. :tongue:

very true but much like myself one can always utilize tools and programs for assistance with those things when accualy inputing them into a mud but i did think that my statement had covered that bit of usage however now that i reread it i do say it could be taken either way

This topic was split from http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topi...

I did consider locking this thread on its creation and just leaving it up there for archive purposes, but I will leave it unlocked for now. Please keep it civil, no more personal attacks or attacks on peoples posts.

Thank you

The Georgia thread was locked for flamebaiting, not for posting controversial political opinions. Regardless, we're not going down that road again so don't even start.

http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topi... is the other one where you trolled the thread looking to goad a reaction which resulted in the immediate thread lock.

All of this flamebaiting, trolling, personal attacks and other crap needs to stop and stop fast. If you people can't handle that then you need to find somewhere else to be trolls and flamebaiters.

Thank you, a little common sense and some even handed moderation can never harm anyone. We don't all have to like each other on a personal level, but at a community level we need to try and be much more respectful in how we relate to each other, even when we strongly disagree or think our position is right. Our actions should be attempting to include the OP into the community, not alienate them because of an ill thought post.

Some one recently described the mud community to me as: A population of animals that's competing for mating rights when there's not enough females left for the species to remain viable and that we are vicious and cannibalistic. It is rather sad that this is how this person see's our very actions and treatment of each other and i have to admit in the past my one actions have been just as described. I think its time we all let the past be the past and try and move forward with positivity and IMO this forum is in a good position to do so.

I resemble that remark!



[Edit:] No wait, resent. yes. I resent that remark!

I truly apologize Samson if you take this as another personal attack, that really isn't the intent but my tongue already has enough teeth marks in it.

Dyslexia is an issue with reading letters and numbers in the improper order. It has nothing to do with poor punctuation and/or other mis-spellings. Spellcheckers are always an option, Opera and Firefox have built-in spellcheckers. Spellchecking a post takes 20 seconds, it's not an enormous effort, it is worth it if you expect people to take you seriously. Muds are text based games, posting looking for builders and spelling poorly is synonymous with posting for staff on a graphical mud and posting a video that is an example of the game. A video which is fraught with poor framerates and other anomalies. Coders do need to be able to form properly formed sentences. Do you want every spells messages to be poorly written? How about the damage messages? How about all the comments? It in fact doesn't matter what it is, one's inability to write intelligently shows signs of poor logic skills. People with poor logic skills make poor coders.