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#1 id:44470 Posted Mar 24, 2010, 6:08 pm

Not sure if this will get cross-posted here:

http://www.topmudsites.com/forums/mud-coding/6006-mudstandards-org.html

Also, if crat could say here in English what he said at TMC, I'm curious.

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#2 id:44471 Posted Mar 24, 2010, 6:12 pm

I invited him to eat ####.

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#3 id:44475 Posted Mar 24, 2010, 6:59 pm

I'm guessing this is related to something that happened on a board that isn't public readable?

I don't really understand why we'd cross post something like that here other than to stir up trouble...
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#4 id:44476 Posted Mar 24, 2010, 7:01 pm

I think the stated concept ("sharing our knowledge, and increasing the player experience on all our games through group effort") has merit, although the rest of the post gives a somewhat conflicting message (closed forums, email your qualifications to the IRE admin to apply for membership).  I think I'll reserve judgement for the time being though.
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#5 id:44479 Posted Mar 24, 2010, 8:21 pm

Although I really dislike standards that are half-baked and made with only a small subsection of the world-to-be-standardized in mind, I also, frankly, have relatively little desire to be involved in Yet Another Standards Debate. They're tiresome and often boring. The difference this time is that major client developers are involved, and so whatever decisions made are extremely likely to actually be put into practice, for better or for worse. So, here's to hoping they come up with something useful.
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#6 id:44480 Posted Mar 24, 2010, 8:28 pm

The mere mention of community effort rekindles some good old memories.
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#7 id:44481 Posted Mar 24, 2010, 8:33 pm


Scandum said:
The mere mention of community effort rekindles some good old memories.


Oh? Were you part of a community effort?

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#8 id:44482 Posted Mar 24, 2010, 9:30 pm

Yes, and to my dismay it didn't differ all that much from joining a cult.
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#9 id:44486 Posted Mar 25, 2010, 1:56 am

Closed forums just seem.. well.. disingenuous, in this day and age.  I can't remember seeing any in recent years that mattered.
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#10 id:44488 Posted Mar 25, 2010, 4:55 am

Well the Wiki lists five protocols, two of which are known to be broken, MXP and MSP.
As far as closed forums, I believe IRE's last community outreach effort was a closed forum as well. 
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#11 id:44492 Posted Mar 25, 2010, 6:23 am

A closed forum, used to discuss "standards" that can only be discussed by a closed committee, hand-selected from a set of applicants so that the potential set of ideas or disagreements is kept to a minimum...

Are they designing C++?
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#12 id:44493 Posted Mar 25, 2010, 6:24 am

David Haley said:
The difference this time is that major client developers are involved, and so whatever decisions made are extremely likely to actually be put into practice, for better or for worse.

That's my view, too, and is the reason I've signed up.  I want to see what's happening, as it may well have an impact on me.

Tyche said:
As far as closed forums, I believe IRE's last community outreach effort was a closed forum as well.  *shrug*

Was that the commercial mud "boys club" thing?  If so, they didn't really have any influence over anyone else, so they could just be ignored.  In this case we've got major client developers involved, and if they start changing their protocols it could impact a lot of muds.

I'm hoping the closed nature of the forum will just be a temporary thing.
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#13 id:44507 Posted Mar 25, 2010, 11:40 am

Nick and Jeremy have both mentioned that the closed nature of the board has been brought up there as well, so hopefully we'll see them open up soon. I can understand why they want the wiki to be read-only in general, but the forums should certainly be public.

Tyche said:
Well the Wiki lists five protocols, two of which are known to be broken, MXP and MSP.

Now, that's not fair. Isn't fixing stuff like that and proposing alternatives sort of the point?
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#14 id:44509 Posted Mar 25, 2010, 11:47 am

Twisol said:
Tyche said:
Well the Wiki lists five protocols, two of which are known to be broken, MXP and MSP.
Now, that's not fair. Isn't fixing stuff like that and proposing alternatives sort of the point?

I don't follow. What isn't fair?
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#15 id:44510 Posted Mar 25, 2010, 12:01 pm

Tyche said:
Twisol said:
Tyche said:
Well the Wiki lists five protocols, two of which are known to be broken, MXP and MSP.
Now, that's not fair. Isn't fixing stuff like that and proposing alternatives sort of the point?

I don't follow. What isn't fair?

It was a tongue-in-cheek "not fair". You said that two of the protocols they list are broken. Maybe I misread the tone of text, but it sounded like you thought that was a point against them.
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