Finally, someone with a sense of humor.

Uh-oh, you both are admins and you're joking around. I can only conclude that MudBytes is actually run by clowns!

I don't believe I questioned that. I questioned Asylumius's apparent
assertion of his uncontested permaban discretion on any grounds.
You confirmed it is true. End of story. I don't see a challenge to your authority.




For example?




I tend to presume that admins want to be taken seriously when they
invoke the possibility of locking threads and banning. Perhaps you are
some kind of special admin that does not.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net

There is always the possibility of locking and banning, and not just by one person. I think the fact that we've only banned one person (ever) and not locked more than a couple threads (none that I remember specifically) go to show that we do take it seriously enough.

You may very well be on to something with regards to me being special, though.

I think this is the most retarded pile of bullshit I've ever had to read on these forums. FFS, Drop it already, What the hell does it matter what people say when they get pissed off? EVERYONE here is HUMAN. HUMANS MAKE MISTAKES. I'm tired of coming here and seeing trolls picking at reasonable conversation, turning them into nothing more than a shit slinging contest because someone said something that could be used against them.

Even *I* read that as an open challenge against the Administration, Crat. I'm not even sure how this topic went from an intelligent discussion about whether to include an area repository with/without a translator to picking a fight with the admins anyway. Just drop it, and let the conversation go back to the area repository.

[EDIT]: Also, Why is it that just because someone is an Admin, they aren't allowed to have their own opinion on something? Should anyone have to blindly support something merely because they're an Admin?

I agree with your assessment that this thread of conversation has (over-)served its purposes and died, but:

Because we're trying to remain civil?

Ok, enough is enough. I think we've been far more than patient. If you all can't keep things civil or avoid making personal attacks on each other, this is going to get locked. Hang whatever label you like on me, but come on people.

*climbs into tiny car and flies off..*

Wait…you take a piece of fiction literature seriously?

After a remark like that, I'm going to run for the bunker in the hills…

No kidding, Holy hell, here comes a shitstorm…

and only now i think we should lock the thread =/

*Makes some popcorn and sits back to wait for the show*

*Uses propeller admin hat to send popcorn everywhere*

I don't think this is what I do.

I seem to be painted as a troll here relatively
often, which is strange to me, since the things
I say are things I mean, and germane. I thought trolls were
people who engage in trolling, or the deliberate
attempt to elicit flames and such. That is not
what I've done here, and I think the characterization
is unfair.

I don't see anyone jumping on KaVir for pointing
out to DavidHaley the insupportability of his
position…in the strongest terms, I might add.

Yet when I point out that an admin has made an
error in judgment (which it seems folks are in
general agreement on was an error), and I
go on to question that person's implied subsequent threats,
I'm suddenly a bad guy.

I don't get why admins should be immune from
discussion of their behavior, especially when that
behavior reflects poorly on the site.

Given that this thread was unlocked, I presume I
am not the only one who believes there is value
in the open discussion of that topic.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net

This is the heart of the problem. You leapt to the conclusion that an admin made an error in judgment. You assume that because you think this, there's general agreement on that opinion. I see you and one other person reaching that conclusion. I see only you challenging the authority of the admins by thinking you can't be banned and have it stick.

If you keep getting painted as a troll here, on TMS, on TMC, and wherever else you participate, you might want to stop and take a look at why that is. Generally it's been my experience that people call things as they see them.

If you think Asylumius behaved in a praiseworthy way, this
would be a good time to say so.




According to you, every admin here has exactly equal admin rights.
Maybe it's due to inexperience on my part, but I have not ever
seen that really be true elsewhere. What I've seen is that
someone, maybe even 2 or 3 people, pay the ISP, have the root
password, and the database password. Those people decide if a
site stays up, or goes down forever. They may get assistant admins
for the application they work on, but those people don't
have true final say, unless the top echelon admins allow it.

I figured that under such a typical system, if Asylumius got
drunk and decided to permaban all people with the letter "e" in their
name, that he'd be overruled by saner heads.

Similarly, I doubted he'd get away with banning me for absolutely
no reason other than me disagreeing with him. So I posed that question.

You responded by saying that yes indeed, he could do that, and
it truly would stick. You've now clarified that you choose to grant
all associate admins that level of discretion and uncontestability.

Cool. Let's hope he doesn't get drunk.

However, given my original assumption about how normal sites
run, I hope you can see I wasn't challenging the site to permaban
me, but rather addressing Asylumius's rather bold claim.

It's not a subtle distinction.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net

I'd just like to point out that Crat doesn't speak for the entire LP Community. Please don't have Congress ban LP Muds because Crat has no social skills :D

I've already said all I intend to say about his behavior. He's human. You're human. I'm human. Or at least I hope we're all human anyway. And I certainly hope nobody expects us to act like cold unfeeling machines.



You seem to be good at assuming lots of things. You should really work on that before you let yourself run off at the mouth and say things you aren't informed enough to comment on.



I responded by saying this, yes. Because it is now, and always has been, the cold hard truth. Any one of us could wake up one morning and ban everyone who's names start with C. For no reason whatsoever. We have that ability.

Guess what? On lpmuds.net you have the same ability. You can ban people there who's names start with S. You can say things people hate and not get in trouble for it. You could shut that site down in a drunken rage and never look back. Or you could be a sane individual who uses their powers with discretion and only removes people who represent a threat.

George W. Bush has the ability to launch an all out nuclear strike against China if he so chooses. There are folks in the military who would follow such an order blindly. We're not all basking in the nuclear glow. I wonder why. Could it be because, despite having the ability, he's restrained enough not to use it indiscriminately?

Surely you can see where I'm coming from on this. Yes, we have the ability. No, we don't use it maliciously or indiscriminately. No, we don't mind a healthy discussion of the issue. But we will not allow that to lead to anarchy and defiance because you think you're entitled to special treatment.

I wouldn't worry about that. I don't think anyone here believes he speaks for anyone but himself :)