I would have tested to make sure the ban stuck to all channels. You should thank him. He showed you that your ban changes missed a channel. He didn't break any rules when he did it. It was you guys that did it anyway. You changed the way the ban code worked without verifying that it worked without flaw. So now you're going to ban him over KiaCode? Way to go.
I checked the logs for icode, and you had spoken in there during the course of your ban.
Let me get this straight.
You ban me from IMC2 entirely.
Then you limit the ban.
Then you get mad at me when I find out that your unexplained borders of where I can talk were incorrectly implemented, and that's my fault for trying to figure out the unexplained borders.
So instead of taking anything seriously, you chose to degrade your users? I personally find that statement harassing.
You failed at your job as an admin because you don't like Crat and allowed him to get under your skin. Then you decided to take IMC2 and MB down with you. Enjoy your weird little crazy forums. I don't feel like you are able to even begin to take criticism or fix what you have done.
Maybe mudbytes is a different forum community than where I come from but this is just ridiculous. You fume and rage and curse at someone then tell them to act like an adult?
You are all acting like 13 year old school girls. Grow up. The ban isn't permanent, or at least wasn't at the time. It isn't really that big a deal. I'm certain someone can go without IMC2 for 3 days. Yet instead people are just acting like pricks toward the admins.
Crat, as is widely known, can be a dick. He picks and curses and blatantly disrespects others for no apparent reason (at times) other times he has a reason. Whether he has a reason or not, he only ever elevates the situation and TRIES to piss people off.
As fine as I am with him, as an admin I see the need to essentially let him know he needs to chill out. A temporary ban is only a small slap on the wrist. And to anyone out there that claims Crat was "only giving constructive criticism" then you have definitely lost touch with reality and what that phrase means. He was obviously trying to stir something up.
Sometimes a bunch of little things add up to create one big thing. Crat's things added up. Why is this such a shock?
You are all acting like 13 year old school girls. Grow up. The ban isn't permanent, or at least wasn't at the time. It isn't really that big a deal. I'm certain someone can go without IMC2 for 3 days. Yet instead people are just acting like pricks toward the admins.
Because he never violated the rules. Because the ban was just made permanent over a mistake on Davion/Kiasyn's part. And Because this has all been personal, and not the act of a rational administrator.
People have talked of leaving the IMC2 network over this. Others have talked of leaving MudBytes over this. Some have discussed leaving both.
Because the ban was just made permanent over a mistake on Davion/Kiasyn's part.
It was? When did I say that?
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People have talked of leaving the IMC2 network over this. Others have talked of leaving MudBytes over this. Some have discussed leaving both.
If that's all it takes… wow ;). Hey, you guys can have ad placement to whatever site you startup. I'll be even happy to host you! Just take him with you. (I'm not being sarcastic)
Might be permanent considering you circumvented the ban a few times
You claim he did it a few times. When in fact he did it once. He said Fart on icode. And it only got through because You or Kiasyn fucked up your ban modifications.
Cratylus seriously. You're a valuable member of this community. You give great posts and everything. You're helpful with your tons of links to relevant sources (much of them are your own). But don't even pretend like you're innocent.
Do you truly think it is necessary to put into a rule book that raging out of control against others and simply trying to piss off random people is unacceptable? I haven't read the rules but in no forum should that be allowed. He was given a temporary ban given his behavior. Perhaps not at a single time, but added together it is certainly justified. I'm shocked this is even being challenged.
Davion never said it was a perm ban. Only that it could become permanent if Crat keeps acting out. This is legitimate Admin behavior as far as I am concerned. What would you rather them do? Sit there and take abuse?
Mudbytes seems to have a very strange mentality. People feel as if they own the site and that the Admins are paid workers expected to carry out their wishes. Well the fact is that they are doing this as a sort of hobby, the same as you do for your own MUD. How would you act if Crat was simply a player on your MUD doing the same things to you?
You claim he did it a few times. When in fact he did it once. He said Fart on icode. And it only got through because You or Kiasyn fucked up your ban modifications.
So instead of taking anything seriously, you chose to degrade your users? I personally find that statement harassing.
You failed at your job as an admin because you don't like Crat and allowed him to get under your skin. Then you decided to take IMC2 and MB down with you. Enjoy your weird little crazy forums. I don't feel like you are able to even begin to take criticism or fix what you have done.
This is exactly why I am outraged over this whole situation.
1. You update IMC2 Rules and change unwarranted hostility towards newbies to just unwarranted hostility - This is fine and great. 2. Within hours, you ban a user and quote him this changed rule as a reason for the ban but don't warn - The ban itself would have been fine had the rules been in place longer OR you followed your own procedures and warned him. Instead you allowed your emotions to take control and ban him and use the recently changed rule when in reality it is because Crat now is able to get so under your skin you have lost all objective ability. 3. After the 3 day mark, yes it has come and gone, you state he was now banned for months of abuse. - First of all, stay consistent! Once again, emotions are in play here, no real admin authority. 4. He is still banned and now you have displayed more "unwarranted hostility" toward Crat than I have seen anyone else display in the past three days. Honestly, do your job right or give it to someone that can. I am sorry you can't control your temper but if you want to admin here without people pointing out how you are failing, try harder.
I didn't insult you. I criticized your poor handling of the situation. If you feel insulted, take a look at why that it is. Instead of addressing, you said "you guys are cute" and belittle and harrass your users.
I think you lack some important information and also lack context. I understand you're apparently outraged. I think it might be worthwhile to consider that the folks who are taking exception to the way this happened are largely solid contributors and stakeholders.
Read their posts as well, here and in the two other threads about this. And please also read the rules.
Edited by Orrin.