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<LI><em>From</em>: Greg Miller <<A HREF="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:47:45 -0500</LI>
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Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote:
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> On 03:02 AM 9/11/1999 -0500, I personally witnessed Greg Miller jumping up
> to say:
> >Solmyr of the Azure Star wrote:
> >> murders. Which is what I think pking should be - in-character.
> >
> >And why is that? Role-playing is simply not fun for most mud players.
>
> Ever try to play D&D by yourself?
I don't see the connection. Yes, muds and D&D involve social interaction
normally--but since when does social interaction require role-playing?
>
> Speaking from my own experience, roleplaying is a *cooperative* exercise,
> and if the rest of the players don't *cooperate* then roleplaying is not
> fun. When you step into a room on a MUD and say "What ho, my good men! How
> go things?" and they respond "What level are you?", that ruins the fun.
For me, some of the fun would be ruined when you started off with "what
ho"... I prefer to be able to socialize directly with the other players.
That seems to be extremely common.
> ruins the fun. When roleplaying is worthless in the game, then it is not
> fun. And when nobody else is roleplaying, then roleplaying is worthless;
> all it does is make you an outcast and a weirdo.
And why does this happen? Because most people don't roleplay. I believe
that, in turn, stems from the fact that they simply don't find it fun.
I can't speak for why that is for them, but for me it's because playing
a character means I don't make friends with the other players--to do so
would be acting in an OOC manner.
> There is no BENEFIT to roleplay except that it is FUN. And when nobody
And here we have a key problem. Getting back to the subject of player
punishment, a role-play based solution only works if either [1] people
are cooperating and you never had a problem to begin with or [2] you
fall back to a brute force "behave or I delete you" system. Roleplay has
no benefits normally for people who don't enjoy it, and few seem to
enjoy it.
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<li><strong><A NAME="00503" HREF="msg00503.html">Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>
<ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Travis Casey <efindel#io,com></li></ul>
<li><strong><A NAME="00497" HREF="msg00497.html">[MUD-Dev] Peer pressure and cooperation</A></strong>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00248" HREF="msg00248.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>,
Sellers, Michael <a href="mailto:MSellers#maxis,com">MSellers#maxis,com</a>, Fri 10 Sep 1999, 18:35 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00257" HREF="msg00257.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00278" HREF="msg00278.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00279" HREF="msg00279.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Mon 13 Sep 1999, 20:45 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00437" HREF="msg00437.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>,
Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Tue 21 Sep 1999, 23:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00462" HREF="msg00462.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>,
Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Wed 22 Sep 1999, 18:08 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00471" HREF="msg00471.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00477" HREF="msg00477.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Fri 24 Sep 1999, 00:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00487" HREF="msg00487.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Relationship between pkers and monster AI?</A></strong>,
Laurel Fan <a href="mailto:lf25+@andrew.cmu.edu">lf25+@andrew.cmu.edu</a>, Fri 24 Sep 1999, 03:21 GMT
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