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<H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</H1>
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<LI><em>To</em>: "'<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>'" <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: "Peck, Matthew x96724c1" <<A HREF="mailto:x96724#exmail,usma.army.mil">x96724#exmail,usma.army.mil</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:47:23 -0500</LI>
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<PRE>
incidentally, calcium is a metal. However, I really do think that
making up your own chemistry would be a lot easier to do than to use the
real world's. Here I am devoting my life to its study, and I barely
understand the tiniest portion of it. Never read Permutation City, but
I'll have to take a look at it.
Matthew Peck
> ----------
> From: Hal Black[SMTP:hal#moos,ml.org]
> Reply To: mud-dev#kanga,nu
> Sent: Thursday, 12 November, 1998 11:48 AM
> To: mud-dev#kanga,nu
> Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the
> like...
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> On Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 10:22:28PM -0800, quzah [sotfhome] wrote:
> > [Hal Black]
> > >> material is what it's made of. Could be a mixture, complex
> structure,
> > >> or pure molecular/elemental type. Lots of room for development
> here,
> > >> depending on how involved you want to get. (are animals and
> plants the
> > >> same or different subtypes of "organic", etc...) There are
> mixtures,
> > >> alloys, all kinds of neat stuff. Go to your college book store
> and sit
> > >> down with a Chemistry 101 book and thumb through it for a while
> for
> > >> ideas. There is some neat stuff in there.
> >
> >
> > For starters, I'm dropping in the element table, from there, I'll
> add in
> > some common compounds, and I'll take it from there. There's no way
> I'll
> > be able to make it so you can combine X and Y and X in the correct
> amounts
> > and produce every possible compound/solution/whatever and make it be
> able
> > to be used correctly, so I am going to have to fake it and put in
> what I
> > can think up (with their correct proportions of X,Y,Z as reference)
> so you
> > can create things from my list.
>
> A simplified chemistry is definately in order... You will spend all
> your life
> trying to simulate real-world chemistry (as some people have)
>
> An interesting reference (which has been referenced here before but
> yet again
> becomes pertinent) is Greg Egan's novel _Permutation_City_ In it,
> there is a
> simulated chemistry system called the autoverse where there are 31
> elements and
> no quantum effects. Not a lot of technical detail, but a fun read.
>
> It would be rather ambitious to get a whole world working this way
> (And indeed
> computationally intensive! 8') But just at the level of alchemy, you
> might
> want to consider making up elements yourself, or just making only some
> of the
> elements (or fundamental molecules) be involved in alchemy... or a
> mixture
> of the two.
>
> I'd try to pick some representatives of the different types of
> elements. Maybe
> one sodium-type metal, one noble gas (helium), a few metals (silver,
> alluminum,
> gold, copper, lead), some nonmetals (calcium, nitrogen, chlorine) and
> of course
> hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon are very important. And I'm probably
> forgetting
> some fun ones like phosphorus. But with just that limited amount, you
> can do a
> decent amount of chemistry, say make some acids, salts, some organic
> compounds...
>
> --
> MUD-Dev: Advancing an unrealised future.
>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00830" HREF="msg00830.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>,
Emil Eifrem <a href="mailto:emil#prophecy,lu">emil#prophecy,lu</a>, Thu 12 Nov 1998, 12:26 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00838" HREF="msg00838.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>,
Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Thu 12 Nov 1998, 23:56 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00836" HREF="msg00836.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>,
Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Thu 12 Nov 1998, 23:06 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00828" HREF="msg00828.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>,
quzah [sotfhome] <a href="mailto:quzah#softhome,net">quzah#softhome,net</a>, Thu 12 Nov 1998, 08:28 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00833" HREF="msg00833.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>,
Peck, Matthew x96724c1 <a href="mailto:x96724#exmail,usma.army.mil">x96724#exmail,usma.army.mil</a>, Thu 12 Nov 1998, 17:08 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00804" HREF="msg00804.html">[MUD-Dev] Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>,
quzah [sotfhome] <a href="mailto:quzah#softhome,net">quzah#softhome,net</a>, Tue 10 Nov 1998, 05:47 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00808" HREF="msg00808.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Tue 10 Nov 1998, 19:39 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00811" HREF="msg00811.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>,
Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Tue 10 Nov 1998, 23:56 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00800" HREF="msg00800.html">[MUD-Dev] Quick socket answer</A></strong>,
Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</a>, Sun 08 Nov 1998, 19:38 GMT
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