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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) </LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:18:38 -0700</LI>
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On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:45:34 -0400
Darrin Hyrup<shades#mythicgames,com> wrote:
> IMO, one of the main sufferings of softcode heavy muds is that they
> use the internal language for too much. It slows down the server
> and takes up a lot of CPU, cutting down the number of users one can
> support and adding delays/lag.
This is a myth originated by partially competant authors and users of
softcode servers. It is a very long way from the truth. Go have a
look at properly (ie efficiently) constructed and written softcode
based MUDs (ColdX and BatMUD are good starters). Also look at the
(very few) stats available from Marcus Ranum
Note: Some statistics for ColdX were posted to this list quite some
time back by either Brandon Gillespie or Miro. There are also a few
quoted messages from Marcus in the archives.
Want the truth? Well written softcode servers are entirely capable of
outperforming moderately well written hardcoded servers.
> The plug-in solution allows the mud programmer a choice in how they
> wish to set their system up. If they wish, they can code more in
> the internal language, or they can use existing mud-code, or use
> pre-compiled plugins (or create their own) for speed. That way
> neither flexibility nor efficiency are sacrificed, and the server
> remains as simple and slim as possible.
Such modular systems require what is essence is a message passing
system for the communication between modules. It can be difficult
(witness the Mach micro-kernel) to ensure that the message passing
overhead does not become a significant fraction of the total
processing effort. This will be especially difficult as the number of
boundary crossings (inter-module) for a modular plug0in-style server
will be difficult to keep low.
--
J C Lawrence Internet: claw#kanga,nu
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00339" HREF="msg00339.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 04:58 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00368" HREF="msg00368.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Hal Black <a href="mailto:hal#moos,ml.org">hal#moos,ml.org</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 23:26 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00372" HREF="msg00372.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Felix A. Croes <a href="mailto:felix#dworkin,nl">felix#dworkin,nl</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 01:31 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00373" HREF="msg00373.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Darrin Hyrup <a href="mailto:shades#mythicgames,com">shades#mythicgames,com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 02:32 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00387" HREF="msg00387.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 04:18 GMT
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Petri Virkkula <a href="mailto:pvirkkul#iki,fi">pvirkkul#iki,fi</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 12:37 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00397" HREF="msg00397.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Darrin Hyrup <a href="mailto:shades#mythicgames,com">shades#mythicgames,com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 14:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00412" HREF="msg00412.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>,
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 20:18 GMT
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Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 02:52 GMT
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