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<H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</H1>
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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:22:12 -5</LI>
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On 19 Oct 98, Jon Leonard wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 05:37:55PM -0600, Chris Gray wrote:
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> > I'd be game to do an in-MUD programming language component, but I betcha
> > few people would like the language (mostly strongly typed, syntax not
> > at all like C, etc.)
>
> My Lisp-like language would probably be as unpopular as your language.
> I think a better approach would be to figure out what kind of primitives
> a language might need from the rest of the server. That lets us have
> several different languages (possibly simultaneously), as tastes will
> vary.
>
> I don't think a single monolithic server would be flexible enough for
> what most of us are interested in. I'd build a mix and match collection
> of components for things like internal language. Some successful MUDs
> don't have internal languages at all, and that's a model we should support
> too.
>
You're right. I think a better way to approach an extensible
(generic?) internal mud language is to design the VM first. More
particularly a byte-code assembler. From there, anyone could create
a compiler for their favorite language du jour. If you prefer
strong typing over weak typing, the compiler would simply ignore or
not generate opcodes that deal with type promotions/conversions.
This sounds like an interesting project. Something where you could
limit the scope quite nicely to a drop in VM component with clearly
delineated boundaries.
I'm game. :)
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00255" HREF="msg00255.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>,
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 01:37 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00259" HREF="msg00259.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 02:49 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00268" HREF="msg00268.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>,
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 06:01 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00257" HREF="msg00257.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 02:24 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00261" HREF="msg00261.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>,
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 04:27 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00270" HREF="msg00270.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>,
Niklas Elmqvist <a href="mailto:d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se">d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 10:01 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00279" HREF="msg00279.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00287" HREF="msg00287.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 21 Oct 1998, 04:40 GMT
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