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-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Wiggins <adam#angel,com>
To: mud-dev#kanga,nu <mud-dev#kanga,nu>
Date: Monday, 13 July 1998 12:08
Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wire d
Magazine...)
>On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Chris Gray wrote:
>> [Adam Wiggins:]
>>
>> [ToonMUD]
>>
>> >Of course, this would probably be completely unsatisfying to the
>> >achievers. I would say that typically this sort of play is rewarding
only
>> >if the advancement achieved in-game has a chance of being lost, through
>> >death or more subtle means. And if it's possible to take something of
>> >value away from other players, then bullies become a problem again.
>>
>> You could still achieve on such a MUD. Just not by killing people. Status
>> could be based on a lot of things, just like it is in real life. The
>> toons in "Roger Rabbit" had most of the same concerns that the real
>> humans did - just no fears for physical safety (well, other than the
>> spray cans of ink remover).
>
>Agreed, up to a point. I still think such a thing is a worthwhile
>endevour for someone interested in getting away from traditional
>game violence/gore.
>
>Part of my point, however, was that you don't need death or even violence
>for bullies to cause problems. As long as there is something worthwhile
>that one character can have, and it is transferable, then another
>character will be able to take it away from them without their consent.
>You could certainly construct a game to minimize this effect, but in the
>end I'm not sure that Marian's desire to have a jerk-free game which still
>contains basic mechanics (so that she can be a tailor) is achievable in
>any way other than being careful who you let play your game.
>
>As someone asked, "How does this list manage to stay violence free?" The
>answer is that it is invitation-only, and at its core a dictatorship.
>This keeps quality up, but number of players low (have we ever had more
>than about 20 active posters at any given time?). I think most here would
>agree with me that this is a desirable effect; you could do a mud the very
>same way as long as you didn't mind spending a lot of energy on it and
>after four years only having 20 active players. :)
>
>Adam
>
You know, I've wondered why UO doesn't do something like just that.
(And now that I think of it, the opposite too)
They could make new servers with altered code :
1) Haven
Players have to apply to create characters here. Their characters
are only accepted if the reviewer likes the name and role-play
character that the biography suggests. If players complain about
other players on this shard, the players risk being suspended
pending review - and role playing is enforced.
And for the conflict seeking set :
2) The Toilet
A server with no guards or guard zones. Lots of treasure. PK
war hell.
I would play both, for sure. Heck I'd be surprised if one of these
servers couldn't pay for the manpower it would take to support it.
>
>
>--
>MUD-Dev: Advancing an unrealised future.
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