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<LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 22 Feb 98 16:24:53 -0800</LI>
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On 17/02/98 at 09:33 PM, Katrina McClelan <kitkat#directcheck,aries.net>
said: >On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Travis Casey wrote:
>That's one of my problems in general with clients and the issue of telnet
>is bad. I'll be the first to agree that telnet is a very silly protocol.
> However, it's supported on almost any platform without extra downloads
>or such. The solution I'd eventually use, and that I have mostly
>implemented is a [psuedo] terminal server, terminfo, and lib curses.
I happen to know a bit about curses and have been a strong proponent of it
on this list. Note: I've written two curses implementations, was involved
in the XOPEN conformance testing of HP's curses library for HP-UX, and
have written a number of commercially marketed applications which used
curses interfaces.
>I suppose that curses limits features to text, but with full screen manipulation >of it, it's still quite versitile.
True.
>Particularly if you use ncurses and expect (partually
>dangerous) the the receiving client supports colors in some way or
>another (doesn't have to be vt100 with ncurses).
Nope, the core problem with implementing curses support in the MUD server
is terminal definition. In the classical case this was not a problem as
the terminal type was defined by the application's environment ($TERM,
terminfo, termcap and company). These resources and that definition
ability are not available for a client connecting directly to a port on a
server.
How does the server know what terminal type the remote client is
emulating? Many telnet clients very poorly or partially implement even
the VT-* terminal types. Additionally it is often quite difficult (and
few know how) to set the desired terminal type in quite a many telnet
clients.
The next problem is simultaneously supporting multiple terminal types from
a single executing binary. Many curses implementations handle that
extremely poorly, almost forcing you to require all clients to use a
single terminal definition.
That given, curses works very nicely.
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00519" HREF="msg00519.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>,
Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</a>, Wed 18 Feb 1998, 04:47 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00521" HREF="msg00521.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>,
Katrina McClelan <a href="mailto:kitkat#directcheck,aries.net">kitkat#directcheck,aries.net</a>, Wed 18 Feb 1998, 05:29 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00529" HREF="msg00529.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>,
Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Thu 19 Feb 1998, 01:28 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00675" HREF="msg00675.html">VEIL (was: Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients)</A></strong>,
Brandon Gillespie <a href="mailto:brandon#roguetrader,com">brandon#roguetrader,com</a>, Tue 03 Mar 1998, 12:26 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00556" HREF="msg00556.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00571" HREF="msg00571.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>,
Katrina McClelan <a href="mailto:kitkat#directcheck,aries.net">kitkat#directcheck,aries.net</a>, Tue 24 Feb 1998, 04:44 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00621" HREF="msg00621.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>,
Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</a>, Fri 27 Feb 1998, 12:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00756" HREF="msg00756.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 19 Mar 1998, 00:08 GMT
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