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<LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:16:18 -4</LI>
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On 1 Dec 97 at 21:11, coder#ibm,net wrote:
> On 01/12/97 at 10:40 PM, s001gmu#nova,wright.edu said:
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> >First off, what's with all the repeats of the original of this message?
> >List admin?
>
'Twas my mistake. The list server, however, failed to catch my error
and propagated it to your mailbox. This should be corrected. :P
> Greg's comment above, "First off, what's with all the repeats of the
> original of this message?" is absolutely fasinating if looked at from a
> viewpoint of being an example of a member of a micro-society attemping to
> police its own micro-society.
>
> If you look at it, the membership of this list in many ways functions
> similarly to the membership of a MUD, and as such, has similarly evolved
> various social structures and forms in line with and supporting that.
> Some of them of course have been drummed in or imported from outside, such
> as my requirement for attributions, or this example of quoting. A few are
> homegrown, such as the somewhat overly genteel civility used in debate on
> the list (not that I'm knocking it, I think its quite wonderful and
> something to be actively encouraged).
>
> FWLIW Jon Lambert noticed this parallel in jest many months back (bet
> he's forgotten).
I remember. I was partially serious. This goes back to the roots of the
"What is a mud?" arguments.
> In this light, Greg's comment really becomes a piece of public rebuke,
> of public censure, much are a pedestrian might rebuke another who justled
> them while walking down the street: "Hey bozo! Watch where ya goin, ya
> dickhead!" Tho done with better grammar.
While the general gist is similar, the level of civility is quite
different.
> Where the true fascination of this enters in in how this society formed,
> and what were the formative items were in that formation. What function
> did I play for instance as list owner, and how did my activities as a
> member (given that you all knew I was also list owner) affect that? What
> were the real social repurcussions of the various events that have occured
> on list (Jeff K's type rate, the rape thread, the commercial posturing
> dictum, my heavy encouragement of scenario based discussion, Nathan's ever
> subtle sotto voice comments, Jon's ever present satire, etc).
>
> We have a micro-cosm, an artificial one admittedly, of a MUD society
> here. Worth study.
Certainly there are similarities between this List, IRC and Muds in
general. Can such a micro-cosm of a society study itself?
More importantly, if one were to point out and study the dynamics of this
little micro-cosm would it alter the micro-cosm itself?
--
Jon A. Lambert
"Everything that deceives may be said to enchant" - Plato
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<LI><STRONG>Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00465" HREF="msg00465.html">Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>,
s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Tue 02 Dec 1997, 03:39 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00466" HREF="msg00466.html">Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>,
coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Tue 02 Dec 1997, 04:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00468" HREF="msg00468.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>,
s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Tue 02 Dec 1997, 19:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00682" HREF="msg00682.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>,
coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Thu 11 Dec 1997, 05:29 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00474" HREF="msg00474.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 03 Dec 1997, 04:10 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00410" HREF="msg00410.html">Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 26 Nov 1997, 01:23 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00405" HREF="msg00405.html">Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 25 Nov 1997, 10:19 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00368" HREF="msg00368.html">requests</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Sun 23 Nov 1997, 16:07 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00418" HREF="msg00418.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] requests</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Wed 26 Nov 1997, 19:47 GMT
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