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<LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</A></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 05 Nov 97 09:53:49 -0800</LI>
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On 05/11/97 at 04:31 PM, alexo#bigfoot,com (Alex Oren) said:
>ATTN list owner.
Got it.
Writing as list owner:
>My email reader has problems keeping the list messages properly threaded.
>There are two reasons for this:
1) Your reader ignored the (In-)Reply-To: headers.
2) You reader is overly literal on threading by sibject.
>1. Appending "[MUD-Dev]" to the subject, and
Which is, theoretically a constant. All messages have it prepended, so it
should not register a change.
>2. The number of spaces between the "[MUD-Dev]" and the subject is not
>constant.
Actually its worse than that. Certain mailers used by members insert
extra spaces, some insert TABs. Steward processes them all, blindly.
>To add insult to injury, some subjects get truncated, embedded spaces
>multiply, etc. (switch to a fixed width font):
The truncation is the fault of severely broken mailers which ignore the
RFC's statements on handling line length. I also note that they all seem
to be Windows based.
>Now, I wouldn't mind exporting my message DB to a text file, running an
>AWK script or something similar on it to demangle the subjects and
>re-importing, but only if I have to do it once. I do have a large number
>of messages and it is a lengthy process.
Ignoring the mailers which don't generate In-Reply-To: headers (which we
have thankfully few of on the list), In-Reply-To is the way to thread.
>Suggestions to JCL:
>* Remove the "[MUD-Dev]" artifact. Filtering can be done on one of the
> following fields: X-Listname, To, Sender, Reply-To, Return-Path.
Noted.
>* Add some more preprocessing: remove leading "Re" prefixes, reduce
>embedded spaces, etc.
Noted. Yup, this should be done.
Unfortunately nothing is going to happen very quickly. I'm on a new
contract at SunSoft, and have a boat load of work that I have to get done
before a deadline in a fortnight.
Progress from there rests on a decision I'm going to be making as soon as
I get a chance, (I've got another kid due in a few more weeks as well, so
all bets are off). I'm considering the possibilities of moving the list
to a different list processor as the home LAN here changes. Steward has
served as well, but there are certain aspects that I really dislike about
it from an administration viewpoint (such as its handling of bounces). It
may be time to move on.
Aside: If any of you have experience with other list processors, please
email evaluations to me directly. I'm looking at a slew of possibilities
from (major/petit)domo, proclist, on down.
>Thanxalot!
Welcome. Sorry if I've been a bit curt -- gotta go run and fight with a
firewall.
--
J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net
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<LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] A flamewar startingpoint.</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00583" HREF="msg00583.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] A flamewar startingpoint.</A></strong>,
coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Tue 09 Dec 1997, 19:04 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00610" HREF="msg00610.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] A flamewar startingpoint.</A></strong>,
Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Wed 10 Dec 1997, 02:27 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00245" HREF="msg00245.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: threading list messages</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 06 Nov 1997, 07:02 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00242" HREF="msg00242.html">OT: threading list messages</A></strong>,
Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Wed 05 Nov 1997, 17:31 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00244" HREF="msg00244.html">Re: OT: threading list messages</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00246" HREF="msg00246.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: OT: threading list messages</A></strong>,
Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Thu 06 Nov 1997, 11:32 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00248" HREF="msg00248.html">Re: OT: threading list messages</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00241" HREF="msg00241.html">AI Path Finding</A></strong>,
Todd Lair <a href="mailto:tlair#mailzone,com">tlair#mailzone,com</a>, Wed 05 Nov 1997, 17:18 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00219" HREF="msg00219.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Fear of magic (was:Usability and interface)</A></strong>,
Brandon J. Rickman <a href="mailto:ashes#pc4,zennet.com">ashes#pc4,zennet.com</a>, Mon 03 Nov 1997, 00:43 GMT
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