<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Learning through failure --> <!--X-From-R13: [nqql <znqqlNslfu.bet> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:49:26 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: E0xJfQE-0001eg-00#crucigera,fysh.org --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Learning through failure</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:maddy#fysh,org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00086.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00088.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00088.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00086.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00087">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00087">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00087">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Learning through failure</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Learning through failure</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Maddy <<A HREF="mailto:maddy#fysh,org">maddy#fysh,org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:48:05 +0100 (BST)</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Previously, Jon A. Lambert wrote.... > forwarded from rec.games.mud.admin > > In article <34394304.3B5D#netusa,net>, rscott#netusa,net says... > > > >One of my theories is that skills should go up via success (ala > >runequest), but rather via failure. Every 10 failures gives you a > >small increase in skill. Once you are at the higher proficiency > >levels, failures come few and far inbetween, thus making it harder to > >advance. > > > >---ralph > > I found this idea rather interesting. If failure is used as the > basis for calculating a possible skill increase, one should be able > to implement a fixed scale for all skills, say 1% - 99% for > instance. This allows a fairly rapid early development becoming > progressively more difficult as one's skills approach the 100% > mark. Couple this with a skill decay system and you have something > nice and simple. Well maybe too simple... Repeated mindless > execution may pose a problem. I like the idea of skills approaching > a maximum threshold that they cannot attain. Well RuneQuest solves the problem of repeatedly doing the same task, by only letting players have one skill increase per skill and then only letting them do the increase after a weeks rest. This probably wouldn't work so well in a mud - a week would be too long. Skills also aren't limited to 100% - the increases are worked out by rolling above your skill but you subtract an "experence bonus" (based upon intelligence) from your dice roll. This kinda makes sense, as intelligent people are going to be better at learning and analysing their mistakes. Maddy </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00086.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Riddles for games</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00088.html">THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO UNLAWFUL CARNAL KNOWLEDGE FOR FANTASY ROLE-PLAYING GAMES</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00088.html">THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO UNLAWFUL CARNAL KNOWLEDGE FOR FANTASY ROLE-PLAYING GAMES</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00086.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Riddles for games</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00087"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00087"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00090" HREF="msg00090.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: (fwd) New MUD software wanted?</A></strong>, Felix A. Croes <a href="mailto:felix#xs1,simplex.nl">felix#xs1,simplex.nl</a>, Sat 11 Oct 1997, 16:34 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00101" HREF="msg00101.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: (fwd) New MUD software wanted?</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Tue 14 Oct 1997, 17:32 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00089" HREF="msg00089.html">Re: (fwd) New MUD software wanted?</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Sat 11 Oct 1997, 05:21 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00088" HREF="msg00088.html">THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO UNLAWFUL CARNAL KNOWLEDGE FOR FANTASY ROLE-PLAYING GAMES</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 10 Oct 1997, 18:33 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00087" HREF="msg00087.html">[MUD-Dev] Learning through failure</A></strong>, Maddy <a href="mailto:maddy#fysh,org">maddy#fysh,org</a>, Fri 10 Oct 1997, 13:49 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00086" HREF="msg00086.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Riddles for games</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 10 Oct 1997, 06:01 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00105" HREF="msg00105.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Riddles for games</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Tue 14 Oct 1997, 18:36 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00085" HREF="msg00085.html">The Trap Collection - Volume II</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 09 Oct 1997, 22:42 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00084" HREF="msg00084.html">The Trap Collection</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 09 Oct 1997, 19:46 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>