<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xba O. Znzoreg" <wyflfvapNvk.argpbz.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 07:49:18 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199709210748.CAA24259@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.96.970917170829.141F-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.GSO.3.95q.970917105129.21558A-100000@uhunix2 --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01335.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01337.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01246.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01374.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01336">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01336">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01336">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 03:49:42 -4</LI> <LI><em>Comments</em>: Authenticated sender is <jlsysinc#popd,ix.netcom.com></LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 17 Sep 97 at 14:27, Nathan Yospe wrote: > > We've been dealing with four elements lately: group dynamics, methods of > play/advancement toward goals, social dynamics, and world dynamics. As far > as I can tell, S/HnS is zero GD, combat-oriented goals, unspecified SD, > and generally minimal WD. Would this be a good way to analyze a given feature or function as opposed to the game in general? Assuming it might, I'll lump in my earlier mechanics into the areas you identified and also include an area we have considered a given. 1) Individual Dynamics - ID 2) Group Dynamics - GD 3) Social Dynamics - SD 4) World Dynamics - WD 5) Play Dynamics - PD The first four I think can be represented as scalars like a simple numeric scale from say (0-5) or unspecified/unknown. The last one, which I called Play simply to make a distinguishable abbreviation, refers to methods of play/advancement towards goals can be viewed as both a scalar quantity linked to a specific method of goal achievement. What specific types of PD are there? Here are a few guesses. 1) Combat 2) Quest 3) Puzzle-solving 4) Adventuring 5) Knowledge (research/training/skill improvement) 6) Role-play/Acting 7) Resource management (aquisition/wealth) 8) Player managment (diplomacy/leadership) 9) Building/Creation I assume "fun" to be implicit to any of these play styles YMMV. Any others? OK, now an example feature with some questionable ratings: Let's say you are considering implementing a global chat channel with no limitations on it's use. ID-0, GD-3, SD-5, WD-unk., PD-(2,roleplay; 5,player mgmt.) It's likely to not add anything to solo-play, it facilitates group interaction or cooperation, the social values are very high, the effects on the world may be negligible or dramatic depending on other unknown factors, those pursueing goals of roleplay and influencing players would have additional means to effect their goals. I ranked RP effects lower since in many cases it is conducted on a local scale/stage, although there are exceptions. Is this useful or not? -- Jon A. Lambert If I'd known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself. </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01401" HREF="msg01401.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01374" HREF="msg01374.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01235" HREF="msg01235.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01245" HREF="msg01245.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Nathan Yospe <yospe#hawaii,edu></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01335.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] games gender bias (Re: Affecting the world)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01337.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01246.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01374.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01336"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01336"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="01231" HREF="msg01231.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 17 Sep 1997, 05:25 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01235" HREF="msg01235.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 17 Sep 1997, 16:20 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01245" HREF="msg01245.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Wed 17 Sep 1997, 21:22 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01246" HREF="msg01246.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 17 Sep 1997, 22:00 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01336" HREF="msg01336.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sun 21 Sep 1997, 07:49 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01374" HREF="msg01374.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Mon 22 Sep 1997, 23:26 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01401" HREF="msg01401.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 24 Sep 1997, 00:04 GMT </LI> </LI> </LI> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01263" HREF="msg01263.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 18 Sep 1997, 19:15 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01302" HREF="msg01302.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Affecting the world</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 20 Sep 1997, 00:01 GMT </LI> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>