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<H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</H1>
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<LI><em>From</em>: Marian Griffith <<A HREF="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</A>></LI>
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On Sat 13 Sep, Adam Wiggins wrote:
> > From: clawrenc#cup,hp.com
> > The blast doesn't directly kill them, but the resulting changes in the
> > environment do...
> > So, a PK'er can not directly kill a Non-PK'er, but they can alter the
> > environment in such a way that the Non-PK'er dies? How is that any
> > differnt from a slightly more complicated way of putting a sword thru
> > the Non-PK'er?
> I think JC's point was that it's impossible to determine what makes something
> a PK or not. As most experienced mudders know: if it's possible to die
> via game mechanics on a mud, it is possible for others to kill you. Never
> mind if they can hurt you directly or not; this only rules out 'honorable'
> methods of attack.
I thought we more or less concluded that this was a agree to disagree
subject?
My opinion on it though, is that what makes something PK is the inten-
tion of the attacking player. What upsets people is unprovoked attack
not accidental death. I have been killed on muds through stupidity of
other players. That didn't matter because it was an accident. And I've
been, well not attacked because I do not play games that allow killing
of other players, followed by players who intended to make themselves
to all other players. The intention was there and only the non-PK rule
prevented them from outright fighting but they did everything else to
make life miserable to others. It is the mindset that counts, not the
act that is the result.
[slightly convoluted examples snipped]
I would hesitantly say they are indeed attempts to PK, though the victim
is unable to tell. I'm not sure if it matters though.
Marian
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<LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Attributions and Eudora</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00851" HREF="msg00851.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Attributions and Eudora</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 30 Aug 1997, 01:56 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01188" HREF="msg01188.html">Re: Character evolution</A></strong>,
S001GMU <a href="mailto:S001GMU#nova,wright.edu">S001GMU#nova,wright.edu</a>, Fri 12 Sep 1997, 13:27 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01195" HREF="msg01195.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Character evolution</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 12 Sep 1997, 20:41 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01203" HREF="msg01203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Character evolution</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Sat 13 Sep 1997, 08:57 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01204" HREF="msg01204.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Sat 13 Sep 1997, 14:26 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01206" HREF="msg01206.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Sat 13 Sep 1997, 23:45 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01207" HREF="msg01207.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Sun 14 Sep 1997, 04:28 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01228" HREF="msg01228.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 16 Sep 1997, 16:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01232" HREF="msg01232.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 17 Sep 1997, 06:22 GMT
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