<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] "Social control", was butthead features --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 01:50:58 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199709040148.SAA12134#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: c=US%a=_%p=EA%l=MOLACH-970827233734Z-77296#molach,origin.ea.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] "Social control", was butthead features</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01065.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01067.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00784.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01087.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01066">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01066">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01066">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] "Social control", was butthead features</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] "Social control", was butthead features</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 03 Sep 97 18:39:51 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <<A HREF="msg00783.html">c=US%a=_%p=EA%l=MOLACH-970827233734Z-77296#molach,origin.ea.com</A>>, on 08/27/97 at 04:38 PM, "Koster, Raph" <rkoster#origin,ea.com> said: >In the context of this list, though, I was more curious about general > design flaws or loopholes, rather than specifics like the above >(which I'd just call a bug). For example, we found a problem related >to "social control" measures like reputation systems in that remote >regions such as farms or villages are unprotected to the extent that >towns are, tend to predictably have a supply of fresh victims to >butcher, and offer enough sustenance to make players not need towns >at all. So players were able to live quite comfortably with the >negative infamy without feeling any repercussions. >To an extent this is desirable in that you want lawlessness to take >control of the wilderness--I think both UO and DSOII have that as a >goal--yet you don't want the utter scum to have free run of the place > and suffering *no* ill-effects from their standing, and on top of >that, more powerful than everyone else simply because they are >willing to exploit the (as designed) system. There needed to be some >downside to that situation--either periodic guard raids, or >something that makes them need to risk their neck, etc. At the very >least a downside needed to exist to provide continued risk (read >"challenge and fun") to the folks who figured out this trick. First thought: The majors from the local area glom (lord of the manor, earl, duke whatever), periodically launch or commission surveys of their lands (tax gathering?). If such a survey happens on an overly troubled area they will either detach a contingent to watch over the area (guard) for a while, or send a runner back to town for a contingent to occupy it for a while. Increased trouble in that area then leads to a simplistic calculation between tax revenue and importance of area against cost of outpost. This can of course be weigthed with human-determined stategic scores (on the road to major city == high weight, middle of nowhere == low or negative weight, etc). More trouble then either leads to a greater population of guards etc in the outpost, or an abandonment of the area to lawlessness. Most interestingly perhaps for what I understand of your system (Or was that Chatterly?) is that this could also be extended to the concept of borders between nations/city states etc. Thus border forts would semi-naturally spring up or decline as the unrest along a border varied. Underlay the whole thing with resource economies and it could get really cute. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01087" HREF="msg01087.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "Social control", was butthead features</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00783" HREF="msg00783.html">[MUD-Dev] "Social control", was butthead features</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Koster, Raph" <rkoster#origin,ea.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01065.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Everybody was Kung-Fu fighting.. 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