<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs --> <!--X-From-R13: Oqnz Ivttvaf <avtugsnyyNhfre1.vasvpnq.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 06:38:45 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199709010641.XAA03897#user1,inficad.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3.0.2.32.19970831120941.00b8aa80#mail,tenetwork.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00938.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00940.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00900.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00959.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00939">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00939">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00939">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Adam Wiggins <<A HREF="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:41:28 -0700 (MST)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> [Jeff K:] > At 08:37 AM 8/31/97 PST8PDT, Adam Wiggins wrote: > >*nod*...most of our wrestlers are completely unskilled. Wrestling was > something > >we threw in as more of a way to help out the big, slow guys - if that > > Just as a note most RPG systems balance the speed of a little guy with the > damage dealt. The big guy with greater strength does much mroe damage when > he DOES hit. But whatever works for you. Right, but our combat system is completely different from anything I've ever seen. Mainly since we model damage so realisticaly - we quickly found that a lumbering 900 lb ogre-type critter versus a 150 lb elf with a fast sword-arm and a sharp rapier lost every time. A rapier through the guts of a 900 lb ogre kills just as surely as any 'hard-hitting' attack. Of course this makes sense, but isn't exactly what we wanted. > >*nod*...although I should tell you our size scale. Our test runs usually > >involve sending in two or three goblins (~50 lb each, 3') versus a > >minotaur (~800 lb, 9') or a jhaa'rdk (~900 lb, 9'). > > Well that certainly is an extreme you dont see in the real world. Coudl a > man, or boy, with the proepr techniques, hold a horse? I tyend to think > so, but the techniques woudl be very different tehn for a man. Thats just > an opinion though. i knwo of no practical tests :) Yeah, there's another good point - varying anatomy. How about creatures that drop limbs (ala lizards' tails), or that can shapechange on the fly (T-1000)? Difficult to test, as you say, so one can only speculate. I find it pretty interesting to consider and then try to implement. > >Secondly, I didn't write any of the wrestling code, but rather my partner > >(who is currently practising Jujitsu, although I'm not sure how his > >experience level compares to yours). > > Hmm. I studied Judo. Its been years, i hardly even remember msot of my > Japanese and though Is tudied a numeb of years I was never very good > frankly but i WAS good at undertsnading the theory ;) > > Jujitsu is the martial art from which the sport Judo wss derived. Itw as > always my understanding that the two are, at the theoretical roots, pretty > much identical BUT I've never studied Jujitsu itself so I coudl well have > holes in my knowledge there. And this is another thing that interests me - fighting styles. Even watching old martial arts movies and seeing the difference between Kung Fu, Tae Kwon Do, Karate etc...when it gets *really* interesting is when you throw the various styles against another, ideally completely different, style. In some cases speculation is your only choice, given the fantastical nature of a mud world - what IS the outcome of a 2 foot droid with a stun rod versus a 9' Kzin with imcredible strength and razor-sharp claws? </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00959" HREF="msg00959.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00900" HREF="msg00900.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00938.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00940.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re:)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00900.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00959.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00939"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00939"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00865" HREF="msg00865.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user2,inficad.com">nightfall#user2,inficad.com</a>, Sat 30 Aug 1997, 22:07 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00870" HREF="msg00870.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sun 31 Aug 1997, 05:25 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00876" HREF="msg00876.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user2,inficad.com">nightfall#user2,inficad.com</a>, Sun 31 Aug 1997, 08:16 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00900" HREF="msg00900.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sun 31 Aug 1997, 19:07 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00939" HREF="msg00939.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Mon 01 Sep 1997, 06:38 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00959" HREF="msg00959.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Mon 01 Sep 1997, 19:21 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01113" HREF="msg01113.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 05 Sep 1997, 22:25 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01125" HREF="msg01125.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sat 06 Sep 1997, 07:17 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01179" HREF="msg01179.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New topic: AI and NPCs</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 11 Sep 1997, 20:41 GMT </LI> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>