<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment --> <!--X-From-R13: [ngg Qunggreyrl <ebbgNzcp.qla.zy.bet> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:21:11 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.LNX.3.96.970826071851.126C-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3.0.2.32.19970825142157.00b6b3b0#mail,tenetwork.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00738.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00740.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00730.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00741.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00739">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00739">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00739">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Matt Chatterley <<A HREF="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:20:34 +0000 (GMT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:neddy#itl,net">neddy#itl,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Jeff Kesselman wrote: > At 02:08 AM 8/25/97 PST8PDT, Matt wrote: > >Yeah - although I like the implied take on chaos/order in Moorcock's > >fiction writings. I would sum up my view of it as being "Chaos must be bad > >because it is the absence of order, and anarchaical, Order must > >be bad, because it is the total absense of order, and is far too > >confining. Therefore balance is the only true 'good' state." > > Me too. In fact oen of myu favorite long standing campaings ran on thsi > principle (and basicly on m,orcock's metphysics.) My own world design for > my MUD private MUD project was similar. In both cases though thats a level > the players dont foetn, if ever, really deal with directly. Right - ideally the players would (or characters I should say) be dimly aware of this balance in some cases, and rarely be introduced directly to it (usually after whatever happened was over?). > >Having two views of alignment should be sufficient for roleplay - what the > >character thinks of his/herself, and what the rest of the world (globally > >and locally) think of him/her. > > I like these, but they are really "reputation" and "self-image", not > alignment in the traditional sense. Yup. Or 'How others think you are aligned' and 'How you think you are aligned' - its a fairly moot difference (although you can quibble over the meaning of 'alignment' in this context for ages). > > > >For Caffeine, I will probably require a third view (the actual innate > >'alignment', taken from the point of view of the 'creator' of the world), > >for a few things - notably magic which modulates based on where you stand. > > Heh. So thsi becoems efectively YOUR opinion fo the PCs. Personbally I > fidn that perfrectly reasonable, Im an old believer in DMIG. Essentially, yes! Regards, -Matt Chatterley <A HREF="http://user.itl.net/~neddy/index.html">http://user.itl.net/~neddy/index.html</A> "Speak softly and carry a big stick." -Theodore Roosevelt </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00730" HREF="msg00730.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00738.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Foods (was Character evolution)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00740.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Language design</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00730.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00741.html">[MUD-Dev] Alignment & Introductions</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00739"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00739"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="01175" HREF="msg01175.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 11 Sep 1997, 01:55 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01193" HREF="msg01193.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 12 Sep 1997, 19:00 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01210" HREF="msg01210.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sun 14 Sep 1997, 16:15 GMT </LI> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00730" HREF="msg00730.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Tue 26 Aug 1997, 03:10 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00739" HREF="msg00739.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Tue 26 Aug 1997, 06:21 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00741" HREF="msg00741.html">[MUD-Dev] Alignment & Introductions</A></strong>, lapsos <a href="mailto:root#TDK,earthlink.net">root#TDK,earthlink.net</a>, Tue 26 Aug 1997, 07:20 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01064" HREF="msg01064.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment & Introductions</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 04 Sep 1997, 01:35 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00754" HREF="msg00754.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Character evolution</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 27 Aug 1997, 01:35 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00757" HREF="msg00757.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Character evolution</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 27 Aug 1997, 04:08 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>