<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:00:05 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199708112358.QAA05519#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.96.970801224918.136Q-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00477.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00479.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00388.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00486.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00478">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00478">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00478">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 11 Aug 97 15:41:33 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <<A HREF="msg00327.html">Pine.LNX.3.96.970801224918.136Q-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>>, on 08/01/97 at 03:09 PM, Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org> said: >On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote: >> First thoughts on a representational model: >> >> Create a coordinate system. >> The axis of the coordinate system are the principles of your >> alchemy system (yes, lotsa dimensions). >> The purpose of the coordinate system is to define the >> behaviour of a substance. >> Given a substance, a coordinate location can be computed from >> its components. >> Given a coordinate location, the effect of the substabce can >> be derived. >I was initially unsure about this, but the more I thought - the more >I liked it, and, for what I want to create, it makes perfect sense, >and seems to work nicely (at least theoretically). FWIW I'd strongly recommend using a sparse array and interpolating the missing chunks at runtime. >> Thus the leaves of the herb WaggaWagga might have a coodinate weight >> of (-5, 8, 3) presuming the simplistic case of only 3 principles. The >> root of the UmbaUmba plant might have a value of (2, 9, -10). Mix >> then together with GooGoo mud (0, 0, 2), and you get a substance (-3, >> 17, -5). That location can be plotted in the coordinate system and a >> result computed: >> >> A minor weakening agent (-3) that also a *really* effective sleeping >> draught (17), and reduces physical dexterity (-5). >Yup. Of course, you'd need many more properties tracked.. but still, >we have the basic spirit captured here. First things which came to >mind were properties to track reactivity of substances, acidity, and >magical capacitance. More general things with relevant to the mixing >of chemicals. A question rose subsequently here - what about by >products? How do we tell if a by product should be produced? I have >yet to answer that one. Yeah, the above example is deliberately simplistic and trivial. By products are really a side effect of standard combinations. Some sort of indexed reaction is needed. If you further extend the array as follows, it can be done: Each substance has a unique ID value in its array. Each substance array also encludes a member which is a list of arrays (maps really) which represents what quantities of what products are produced when the current substance is mixed with the named (by ID) substances. >Incidentally, bringing in the concept of tracking state produces a >flaw in the design of many stock (LP) bases - you have a drink >inheritable, which all drinkable substances must include, defining >alchoholic properties etc (this is pretty standard accross LP, >excepting very different games). Of course, this is not going to >really work with liquids - in theory you can drink any liquid, but >you don't want to inherit drink into all of them! The problem is a bad object model. They should have a state base class from which a liquid class is descended (or is a base class). </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00486" HREF="msg00486.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00327" HREF="msg00327.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00477.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] DESIGN: The purpose of MUDding?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00479.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00388.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00486.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00478"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00478"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00359" HREF="msg00359.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Mon 04 Aug 1997, 04:33 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00360" HREF="msg00360.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Mon 04 Aug 1997, 05:06 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00383" HREF="msg00383.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Tue 05 Aug 1997, 03:36 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00388" HREF="msg00388.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Tue 05 Aug 1997, 13:40 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00478" HREF="msg00478.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 12 Aug 1997, 00:00 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00486" HREF="msg00486.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Tue 12 Aug 1997, 06:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00564" HREF="msg00564.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 14 Aug 1997, 20:43 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00336" HREF="msg00336.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Sat 02 Aug 1997, 19:12 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00480" HREF="msg00480.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual Chemistry</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 12 Aug 1997, 01:07 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>