<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling --> <!--X-From-R13: [vebfyni Evybivp <fvybivpNzner.mrfbv.sre.ue> --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in4.ibm.net id 870365657.9854-1 Thu Jul 31 16:14:17 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199707311613.SAA00473#mare,zesoi.fer.hr --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 9707311416.8a0i@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00312.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00314.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00311.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00320.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00313">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00313">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00313">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Miroslav Silovic <<A HREF="mailto:silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr">silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:13:16 +0200 (MET DST)</LI> <LI><em>Cc</em>: <A HREF="mailto:silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr">silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr</A> (Miroslav Silovic)</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> > Is it really necessary to be this careful with code changes? To me, the > are outside of the scenario, in that they are not directly visible to > players, or to NPC's, etc. So, it doesn't really matter when code > changes actually take place. If an administrator is doing code changes > on a running system, it seems the desire is for those changes to take > effect "whenever they get there", otherwise that administrator would > have to take great care to put manual flags around everything, to block > out uses while the changes are being made. Often, changes to code will > need changes to more than one piece of code - do you want to add > provisions for manual locking? The problem is testing. If you're a wiz, it's very helpful if you can run the code immediately, in real circumstances, and see if things are broken and if the code does what you wanted. I suppose there might be other schemes to accomplish this (apart from 'make it work /now/'). One I had used for a long time on MOOs and in Cold is to clone the relevant objects, descend a new hierarchy from them, and code on the clones. This actually works for pretty large (but not massive) changes. Perhaps it could be possible to mark a set of objects that define some aspect of the mud, and then create automatic system that'd clone the entire hierarchy and then track changes? Miro </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00311" HREF="msg00311.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA (Chris Gray)</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00312.html">C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00314.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Persistance/stability</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00311.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00320.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00313"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00313"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] DESIGN: The purpose of MUDding?</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00474" HREF="msg00474.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] DESIGN: The purpose of MUDding?</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Mon 11 Aug 1997, 22:20 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00475" HREF="msg00475.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] DESIGN: The purpose of MUDding?</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Mon 11 Aug 1997, 22:21 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00316" HREF="msg00316.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Tilting at the SimWindmill - was UO</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 31 Jul 1997, 23:44 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00311" HREF="msg00311.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 31 Jul 1997, 21:49 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00313" HREF="msg00313.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr">silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr</a>, Thu 31 Jul 1997, 23:14 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00320" HREF="msg00320.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Fri 01 Aug 1997, 03:35 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00468" HREF="msg00468.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Mon 11 Aug 1997, 22:02 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00309" HREF="msg00309.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Persistance/stability</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 31 Jul 1997, 13:05 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00314" HREF="msg00314.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Persistance/stability</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr">silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr</a>, Thu 31 Jul 1997, 23:19 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>