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<LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</A> (Chris Gray)</LI>
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[Adam W:]
[Discussion of state saving, in his followup on UO/Graphics MUDS.]
Reading all this stuff on what UO saves and what other MUDs save or do
not save, caused me to realize that I don't really have a grasp of just
what other MUD systems *do* save. This was probably good when I was doing
AmigaMUD, since it didn't occur to me to not save absolutely everything.
I think of it as a persistent programming language (I saw that term a
few years back, probably in a SIGPLAN Notices or something), so you
actually have to go out of your way to make something not saved (you
have to explicitly reset it). When I first joined the first version of
this list, there was a lot of discussion (like now) with Chris L about
databases, commits, and lock/lockless stuff, and that just sort of
re-inforced my notion that other MUDs were persistant languages too.
It's clear that Diku's aren't, but couldn't we consider MOO's to be?
How about Mushes? I believe that Mushes don't save over a reboot (?),
but get the impression that MOO's do. LP's don't, unless explicit
saving to files is done by LPC code. Am I vaguely correct here? What
about newer variants like Island, and things I don't know anything
about like Legend?
Adam also mentioned that most MUDs don't stay up for more than a week
or two. That surprises me, too. I would have thought that LambdaMOO
would have been up for at least months at a time. Given that most don't
save everything over reboots, that sort of corrupts the impression of
a real "world", doesn't it?
[My little server at work has been up for over a month now, other than
when the sysadmin turned the machine off to move it, but it has seen
very little traffic, so that doesn't count.]
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Chris Gray cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00311" HREF="msg00311.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 31 Jul 1997, 21:49 GMT
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Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr">silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr</a>, Thu 31 Jul 1997, 23:14 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00320" HREF="msg00320.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00468" HREF="msg00468.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] C&C and Event Rescheduling</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Mon 11 Aug 1997, 22:02 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00314" HREF="msg00314.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Persistance/stability</A></strong>,
Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr">silovic#mare,zesoi.fer.hr</a>, Thu 31 Jul 1997, 23:19 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00322" HREF="msg00322.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Persistance/stability</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00330" HREF="msg00330.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Persistance/stability</A></strong>,
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