<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow --> <!--X-From-R13: [ngg Qunggreyrl <ebbgNzcp.qla.zy.bet> --> <!--X-Date: from fabius.globecomm.net [207.51.48.6] by in1.ibm.net id 869340395.64010-1 Sat Jul 19 19:26:35 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.LNX.3.96.970719201718.168C-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199707182016.NAA02929#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00205.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00207.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00201.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00209.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00206">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00206">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00206">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Matt Chatterley <<A HREF="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 20:24:42 +0000 (GMT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:neddy#itl,net">neddy#itl,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote: > at 12:37 PM, Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org> said: > >On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote: > > >> Read up on the old Roman gladiators. Look out for the guys with net > >> and trident. They were *quite* effective. > > >The Roman gladiators were pretty darned effective in any case.. at > >least the good (read: surviving) ones. > > Many were more famous in their time than Michael Jordan is in the US. > A couple even had stabs at becoming Roman consuls. Several were > national heros. And rightly so - they earnt it! > >Weapons which > >immobilise the opponent temporarily are often overlooked in mud > >combat (perhaps because it doesnt fit the romantic > >one-on-one-with-swords-clashing notion?) > > It might also be worth looking into the various sword and cloak > fighting techniques. There's a whole area devoted to swordplay with a > cloak either wrapped about the off arm (a pseudo shield) or draped > from the off arm (an entanglement weapon). It's definitely worth throwing the more romantic notions out the window and considering things from another perspective - for instance, in group fights with unmounted troops against mounted knights, surrounding him, and dismounting him however you can, to bash him to death on the ground. The idea of a cloak as an entanglement weapon is certainly valid, and quite a nice 'streetfighting' trick so to term it, amongst other things a safer way to disarm an opponent with a sharp weapon such as a knife, or at least to distract him from his weapon for the time it takes you to take action. > Then there's (unsuccessfully searching the cranium for the correct > french term), the basic attack method of deiberately walking onto your > opponent's rapier (*ONLY* do this with non-edged weapons) and while > his weapon is immobilised in your body dispatching him at leisure. Ouch. > The trick of course was to ensure that he ran you thru at some > non-vital spot (just inside or outside of the kidneys was a popular > area, legs were also popular as being more fleshy than arms). It was > a marvelously successful and popular technique in its time BTW for > leveling the playing field between duellists of significantly > different skill levels, and gained considerable notoriety and disdain > on that account. (An admission of inadequacy at swordplay, but a bold > statement on physical fortitude) Definitely, and it falls nicely into this category of 'slightly mucky tricks and tactics'. Other things often overlooked.. hmm.. the use of the pommel on a large (two-handed?) sword? Nothing really comes to mind right now. > >> A band of Orcs runs at you screaming and waving their swords! > >> Bubba throws a small stone at them. > >> The stone turns into a small galleon with all sails set! > >> Crash! The galleon smashes into the ground! > >> The Orcs are gone. > > >LOL! I love that one. Makes my tales of paultry screaming stones, > >lightning arrows and explosive blow-darts pale in comparison. :) > > It made for rather cluttered battlefield. Several ships, boats, > castles, houses, horses, casks, etc scattered about willy-nilly. Heh, Heh. This could spark an interesting thread in it's own right.. amusing, absurd, and devious 'magical' items used as weapons. Regards, -Matt Chatterley <A HREF="http://user.itl.net/~neddy/index.html">http://user.itl.net/~neddy/index.html</A> "Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them." -George Orwell </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00210" HREF="msg00210.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Marian Griffith <gryphon#iaehv,nl></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00209" HREF="msg00209.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> caliban#darklock,com (Caliban Tiresias Darklock)</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00201" HREF="msg00201.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00205.html">Graphical MUDs</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00207.html">[MUD-Dev] Graphical MUDs</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00201.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00209.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00206"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00206"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00179" HREF="msg00179.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 13:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00191" HREF="msg00191.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:01 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00198" HREF="msg00198.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:34 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00201" HREF="msg00201.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 03:18 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00206" HREF="msg00206.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 20 Jul 1997, 02:26 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00209" HREF="msg00209.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sun 20 Jul 1997, 08:27 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00210" HREF="msg00210.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Sun 20 Jul 1997, 14:30 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00187" HREF="msg00187.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 01:28 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00183" HREF="msg00183.html">[MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, Cynbe ru Taren <a href="mailto:cynbe#laurel,actlab.utexas.edu">cynbe#laurel,actlab.utexas.edu</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 23:07 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>