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<H1>Re: [MUD-Dev]  Source data on Crossbow</H1>
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<LI><em>From</em>: Matt Chatterley &lt;<A HREF="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>&gt;</LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 20:24:42 +0000 (GMT)</LI>
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On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote:

&gt;    at 12:37 PM, Matt Chatterley &lt;root#mpc,dyn.ml.org&gt; said:
&gt; &gt;On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote:
&gt; 
&gt; &gt;&gt; Read up on the old Roman gladiators.  Look out for the guys with net
&gt; &gt;&gt; and trident.  They were *quite* effective.
&gt; 
&gt; &gt;The Roman gladiators were pretty darned effective in any case.. at
&gt; &gt;least the good (read: surviving) ones. 
&gt; 
&gt; Many were more famous in their time than Michael Jordan is in the US. 
&gt; A couple even had stabs at becoming Roman consuls.  Several were
&gt; national heros.

And rightly so - they earnt it!
 
&gt; &gt;Weapons which
&gt; &gt;immobilise the opponent temporarily are often overlooked in mud
&gt; &gt;combat (perhaps because it doesnt fit the romantic
&gt; &gt;one-on-one-with-swords-clashing notion?)
&gt; 
&gt; It might also be worth looking into the various sword and cloak
&gt; fighting techniques.  There's a whole area devoted to swordplay with a
&gt; cloak either wrapped about the off arm (a pseudo shield) or draped
&gt; from the off arm (an entanglement weapon).

It's definitely worth throwing the more romantic notions out the window
and considering things from another perspective - for instance, in group
fights with unmounted troops against mounted knights, surrounding him, and
dismounting him however you can, to bash him to death on the ground.

The idea of a cloak as an entanglement weapon is certainly valid, and
quite a nice 'streetfighting' trick so to term it, amongst other things a
safer way to disarm an opponent with a sharp weapon such as a knife, or at
least to distract him from his weapon for the time it takes you to take
action.
 
&gt; Then there's (unsuccessfully searching the cranium for the correct
&gt; french term), the basic attack method of deiberately walking onto your
&gt; opponent's rapier (*ONLY* do this with non-edged weapons) and while
&gt; his weapon is immobilised in your body dispatching him at leisure. 

Ouch.

&gt; The trick of course was to ensure that he ran you thru at some
&gt; non-vital spot (just inside or outside of the kidneys was a popular
&gt; area, legs were also popular as being more fleshy than arms).  It was
&gt; a marvelously successful and popular technique in its time BTW for
&gt; leveling the playing field between duellists of significantly
&gt; different skill levels, and gained considerable notoriety and disdain
&gt; on that account.  (An admission of inadequacy at swordplay, but a bold
&gt; statement on physical fortitude)

Definitely, and it falls nicely into this category of 'slightly mucky
tricks and tactics'. Other things often overlooked.. hmm.. the use of the
pommel on a large (two-handed?) sword? Nothing really comes to mind right
now.
 
&gt; &gt;&gt;   A band of Orcs runs at you screaming and waving their swords!
&gt; &gt;&gt;   Bubba throws a small stone at them.
&gt; &gt;&gt;   The stone turns into a small galleon with all sails set!
&gt; &gt;&gt;   Crash!  The galleon smashes into the ground!
&gt; &gt;&gt;   The Orcs are gone.
&gt; 
&gt; &gt;LOL! I love that one. Makes my tales of paultry screaming stones,
&gt; &gt;lightning arrows and explosive blow-darts pale in comparison. :)
&gt; 
&gt; It made for rather cluttered battlefield.  Several ships, boats,
&gt; castles, houses, horses, casks, etc scattered about willy-nilly.

Heh, Heh. This could spark an interesting thread in it's own right..
amusing, absurd, and devious 'magical' items used as weapons.

Regards,
	-Matt Chatterley
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"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's
	mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them." -George Orwell


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<LI><strong><A NAME="00179" HREF="msg00179.html">Re: [MUD-Dev]  Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, 
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 13:19 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00191" HREF="msg00191.html">Re: [MUD-Dev]  Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, 
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:01 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00198" HREF="msg00198.html">Re: [MUD-Dev]  Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, 
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:34 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00201" HREF="msg00201.html">Re: [MUD-Dev]  Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, 
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 03:18 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00206" HREF="msg00206.html">Re: [MUD-Dev]  Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, 
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 20 Jul 1997, 02:26 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00209" HREF="msg00209.html">Re: [MUD-Dev]  Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, 
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sun 20 Jul 1997, 08:27 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00210" HREF="msg00210.html">Re: [MUD-Dev]  Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, 
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Sun 20 Jul 1997, 14:30 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00183" HREF="msg00183.html">[MUD-Dev]  Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, 
Cynbe ru Taren <a href="mailto:cynbe#laurel,actlab.utexas.edu">cynbe#laurel,actlab.utexas.edu</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 23:07 GMT
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