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<LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Matt Chatterley <<A HREF="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 20:24:42 +0000 (GMT)</LI>
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On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote:
> at 12:37 PM, Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org> said:
> >On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote:
>
> >> Read up on the old Roman gladiators. Look out for the guys with net
> >> and trident. They were *quite* effective.
>
> >The Roman gladiators were pretty darned effective in any case.. at
> >least the good (read: surviving) ones.
>
> Many were more famous in their time than Michael Jordan is in the US.
> A couple even had stabs at becoming Roman consuls. Several were
> national heros.
And rightly so - they earnt it!
> >Weapons which
> >immobilise the opponent temporarily are often overlooked in mud
> >combat (perhaps because it doesnt fit the romantic
> >one-on-one-with-swords-clashing notion?)
>
> It might also be worth looking into the various sword and cloak
> fighting techniques. There's a whole area devoted to swordplay with a
> cloak either wrapped about the off arm (a pseudo shield) or draped
> from the off arm (an entanglement weapon).
It's definitely worth throwing the more romantic notions out the window
and considering things from another perspective - for instance, in group
fights with unmounted troops against mounted knights, surrounding him, and
dismounting him however you can, to bash him to death on the ground.
The idea of a cloak as an entanglement weapon is certainly valid, and
quite a nice 'streetfighting' trick so to term it, amongst other things a
safer way to disarm an opponent with a sharp weapon such as a knife, or at
least to distract him from his weapon for the time it takes you to take
action.
> Then there's (unsuccessfully searching the cranium for the correct
> french term), the basic attack method of deiberately walking onto your
> opponent's rapier (*ONLY* do this with non-edged weapons) and while
> his weapon is immobilised in your body dispatching him at leisure.
Ouch.
> The trick of course was to ensure that he ran you thru at some
> non-vital spot (just inside or outside of the kidneys was a popular
> area, legs were also popular as being more fleshy than arms). It was
> a marvelously successful and popular technique in its time BTW for
> leveling the playing field between duellists of significantly
> different skill levels, and gained considerable notoriety and disdain
> on that account. (An admission of inadequacy at swordplay, but a bold
> statement on physical fortitude)
Definitely, and it falls nicely into this category of 'slightly mucky
tricks and tactics'. Other things often overlooked.. hmm.. the use of the
pommel on a large (two-handed?) sword? Nothing really comes to mind right
now.
> >> A band of Orcs runs at you screaming and waving their swords!
> >> Bubba throws a small stone at them.
> >> The stone turns into a small galleon with all sails set!
> >> Crash! The galleon smashes into the ground!
> >> The Orcs are gone.
>
> >LOL! I love that one. Makes my tales of paultry screaming stones,
> >lightning arrows and explosive blow-darts pale in comparison. :)
>
> It made for rather cluttered battlefield. Several ships, boats,
> castles, houses, horses, casks, etc scattered about willy-nilly.
Heh, Heh. This could spark an interesting thread in it's own right..
amusing, absurd, and devious 'magical' items used as weapons.
Regards,
-Matt Chatterley
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mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them." -George Orwell
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00179" HREF="msg00179.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 13:19 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00191" HREF="msg00191.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:01 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00198" HREF="msg00198.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:34 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00201" HREF="msg00201.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 03:18 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00206" HREF="msg00206.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 20 Jul 1997, 02:26 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00209" HREF="msg00209.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sun 20 Jul 1997, 08:27 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00210" HREF="msg00210.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00183" HREF="msg00183.html">[MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>,
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