<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public? --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in12.ibm.net id 869160838.41274-1 Thu Jul 17 17:33:58 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199707171732.KAA18942#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 9707161553.88qc@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00167.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00169.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00149.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00181.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00168">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00168">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00168">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 17 Jul 97 10:19:35 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <<A HREF="msg00149.html">9707161553.88qc#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</A>>, on 07/16/97 at 08:00 PM, cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA (Chris Gray) said: >:A) Should the archives be requestable or browsable by non-members? >:Note that this effectively makes ever poster's email address open. >Doing this retroactively is slightly questionable, but if you receive >no nays, then, sure, why not. While I don't expect there to be a realised problem, I know that many members deliberately obfuscate their email address in newsgroup postings to prevent collection by spammers. Now I'm not about to say that some spammer is going to target MUD people, but I wouldn't put it against them as a possible method of collecting known-valid email addresses. Outside of that there is a privacy issue. I've previously posted here that converstions on the list should be considered on a par with conversations held in my living room/lounge conducted with bullhorns while unknown people stand outside with tape recorders. The difference between that analogy and making the email addresses public, is that now the recorders have video cameras and are doing close-ups. Translation: I'm not about to be a key element in anyone else receiving spam. I'm not about to expose those who have no interest in being exposed. Brandon Gillespie's solution to this for the Cold* lists is to remove all the email addresses from the posted archives. I don't like that solution -- for one it kills amost all attributions, and for another it renders almost all posts anonymous, removing much of any sense of context. <ponder> >:B) Should the list be echoed (one way) to a newsgroup? If it is >:echoed to a newsgroup should that group be a private group on a >:private newsserver, or should I create a moderated alt.mud.development >:group? >I'd guess that a new alt group would be easiest, but many people >can't get alt groups, so there could be objections to that. Are you >up to providing a server that supplies the new group - it could be a >lot of traffic and messing around! I currently run a newsserver. I'd have no problem feeding an alt group. Distribution of that alt group to various user's sites is of course a problem, but not one I'd lose sleep over. Related question: If I make an alt.* group, then DejaNews will archive the list (as well as making searchable) -- heck, I'd probably make DejaNews my direct upstream.... This would automagically render all email addresses public etc. Note: I would of course preserve X-No-Archive headers, as ell as possibly supporting an X-No-Newsgroup(?) header to prevent echoing to the group. >[Membership] My main concern here is sheer volume. My email interface >isn't as good as my newsgroups one (could be remedied, however), so >it would be painful to get more email (the days of 40 messages can be >painful). In general, the advantage to this list is that the traffic >is manageable. Whatever happens, whether the list goes public or not, traffic is going to increase. Our top resting average seems to be about 20 posts a day. Currently we're way under that. I wouldn't be surprised if we hit a stable running average of 50+ by years end. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00181" HREF="msg00181.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Brandon Gillespie <brandon#roguetrader,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00149" HREF="msg00149.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA (Chris Gray)</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00167.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00169.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00149.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00181.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00168"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00168"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00187" HREF="msg00187.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 01:28 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00183" HREF="msg00183.html">[MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></strong>, Cynbe ru Taren <a href="mailto:cynbe#laurel,actlab.utexas.edu">cynbe#laurel,actlab.utexas.edu</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 23:07 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00160" HREF="msg00160.html">Source data on Crossbows</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 17 Jul 1997, 08:52 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00149" HREF="msg00149.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 17 Jul 1997, 00:18 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00168" HREF="msg00168.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 00:33 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00181" HREF="msg00181.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, Brandon Gillespie <a href="mailto:brandon#roguetrader,com">brandon#roguetrader,com</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 22:46 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00184" HREF="msg00184.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, Michael Hohensee <a href="mailto:michael#sparta,mainstream.net">michael#sparta,mainstream.net</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 23:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00193" HREF="msg00193.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, Brandon Gillespie <a href="mailto:brandon#roguetrader,com">brandon#roguetrader,com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:20 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00192" HREF="msg00192.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:04 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>