<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK --> <!--X-From-R13: Oqnz Ivttvaf <avtugsnyyNhfre1.vasvpnq.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in12.ibm.net id 867833651.43262-1 Wed Jul 2 08:54:11 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199707020858.BAA09429#user1,inficad.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199707012045.NAA12747#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00033.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00035.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00016.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00042.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00034">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00034">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00034">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Adam Wiggins <<A HREF="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 01:58:51 -0700 (MST)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> [Chris L:] > at 08:58 AM, Adam Wiggins <nightfall#user1,inficad.com> said: > >Yeah, well this is just the nature of the weapon. Fists qualify as a > >blunt object made of flesh and bone. For the exact same reason a > >club is going to be a lot more likely to KO someone than actually > >kill them. > > Its worth talking to someone who has some direct combat experience > (tho an ER tech would do as well). To take the classic example, it is > damned difficult to hit someone on the back of the head with > <whatever> and knock them unconcious without killing them. The line > between KO and DOA for head blows is extremely vague, fuzzy, and > treacherous. Yes, as I think I've mentioned before, my partner and I talked to two ER/OR nurses each with over a dozen years of 'real' experience on these matters while designing our wounds system. There's a lot of interesting stuff with brain swelling, reactions by various portions of the brain (specifically all that crap hanging under the gray matter itself), hemoraging, and so forth. However I didn't code any of the wound system and it's been a while; maybe I'll see if I can dig up some of the old documents to post here. Interesting reading whether it's useful to you or not. At any rate, I've been involved in and/or witnessed plenty of fistfights and I've yet to see anyone die from blows sustained in combat. On the other hand, KOs are a bit rarer thing that Hollywood would like us to believe - usually one of the combantants just decides they are beat and stays down. I think the main 'advantage', persay, of blunt attacks for non-lethal damage, is that it takes either a large amount of force and/or a very specific target location on the body to actually kill someone. An arrow going through the torso is a pretty easy method, however - it's not difficult to hit a lung, and even a weakling can pull a bow with a large enough draw weight to transfix an unarmored, fully-grown man. By the same token a poorly-aimed, weak dagger blow can potentially cut open an artery (takes at least mild force) or open a wound which will cause a good amount of blood loss and a nasty infection. Bludgeonous attacks take a little more effort; a childhood friend of mine was recently put into a coma by a man quite a bit larger than him who spent half an hour working him over with a heavy lead pipe. He was hurt badly and lost most of his teeth, but not dead - I would wager that the same attacks from a dagger or a sword would have rendered him pretty much mincemeat. </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00016" HREF="msg00016.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00033.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Supporting RP+PG</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00035.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] noise</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00016.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00042.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00034"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00034"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00032" HREF="msg00032.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 15:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00040" HREF="msg00040.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 22:20 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00073" HREF="msg00073.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 04 Jul 1997, 05:17 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00016" HREF="msg00016.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 03:47 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00034" HREF="msg00034.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 15:54 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00042" HREF="msg00042.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 22:42 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00017" HREF="msg00017.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 04:04 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00027" HREF="msg00027.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 10:33 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00092" HREF="msg00092.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Integrating PK</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Thu 10 Jul 1997, 02:09 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>