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<H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</H1>
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<LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Jeff Kesselman <<A HREF="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</A>></LI>
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At 12:36 PM 6/21/97 PST8PDT, you wrote:
>[Jeff K:]
>> At 08:18 PM 6/20/97 PST8PDT,Adam W. wrote:
>> >can't figure out how to interact with the game. Ours is particularly
>> >bad since the game world is so open-ended (no easy-to-define goals from
>> >the moment you start playing) and so complex (no simple list of
special-case
>> >rules as with a pen and paper RPG).
>>
>> I rather object to this characterization.. if you had said "AD&D" or "an
>> OLD pen and paper RPG" I might have agreed.
>> I suggest you look at Hero system, and its child the new Fusion system.
>
>Well, let me state it this way - as a player of a pen and paper RPG, I
>always know what the rules are, even if they aren't special-case stuff.
>In a mud you have no idea - you push button X and Y occurs, you push button
>Z and A occurs, except much more complex. Eventually you may figure out
This is totally dependant on your Judge in a pen and paper game.
A bad judge I agree.
A mediocre judge, this is mostly true.
A good to great judge this statement is totally false. the "rules" merely
provide a STRUCTURE for describing and quantifying the infinite
possabilities in the judge's mind. Where a rule system is so limiting it
cannot fit the concept, new rules are created by the judge. That's how D&D
grew into AD&D -- judge created extensions. Hero system is no more
constricting as a set of laws then, say, the laws of physics are in our
world (lexx actually). it is merely a notational system for quantifying the
effects as they pertain to other people and hero has the built in
infinite-extension capabilities of "advantages'a and 'disadvantages" that
re made up by the judge.
I'd say you played pen and paper with very uninventive people. I defy you
to describe to me something on a MUD I could not run as an adventure just
about ANY FRP system I chose.
Jeff Kesselman
>'how' something works at the top level - the same way that the Celtic
>druids figured out 'how' herbalism worked. They knew nothing about
>chemicals or their effect on the body, they just knew that a bit of
>solomon's seal mixed with some yew bark in boiling water made a nice
>headache remedy. Sometimes pen and paper RPGs 'forbid' (haha) the
>players from knowing the DM's rules...what was that old one where if
>any play demonstrated any knowledge of the game rules, the other players
>were supposed to turn and blow them away?
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01395" HREF="msg01395.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Sat 21 Jun 1997, 09:53 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01399" HREF="msg01399.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sat 21 Jun 1997, 10:46 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01402" HREF="msg01402.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Sat 21 Jun 1997, 12:34 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01408" HREF="msg01408.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sun 22 Jun 1997, 03:17 GMT
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Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sun 22 Jun 1997, 04:29 GMT
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Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Sun 22 Jun 1997, 17:44 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01432" HREF="msg01432.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Mon 23 Jun 1997, 02:40 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="01443" HREF="msg01443.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Mon 23 Jun 1997, 10:43 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="01447" HREF="msg01447.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
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