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<H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</H1>
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<LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Matt Chatterley <<A HREF="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:47:12 +0000 (GMT)</LI>
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On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Adam Wiggins wrote:
> [Caliban:]
> > Actually, it doesn't get around anything, because none of THESE people
> > want to be associated with any of THOSE people and none of THOSE people
> > want to be associated with any of THESE people. So when you lump them
>
> Yes, I'd say this is the heart of the matter. Personally, I don't
> care, and I need a term to be able to refer to everything that we
> talk about on this list, and that term is 'mud'. It's short, and it's
> also in the title for the list itself, therefore, I find it completely
> appropriate.
Quite true; but If I take the quote from Caliban in the right context
(I've skipped a lot of messages recently, since the list didn't like me
using a different reply-to address; I've changed it back for now) - the
point about players being somewhat bigoted in *some* cases is quite right.
To cite an example, I have a very intelligent, very friendly associate on
many games, who is one of the nicest people I've ever met RL, yet, she
turns her nose up at any attempts to aliken a MUSH to an LP, because shes
been quite literally trained to do that by others.
> > years of roleplaying doesn't, either. I don't know the architectural
> > difference between TurdMUD and CrapMUD, so I must be totally clueless. I
> > wonder where people get off accusing *me* of bigotry.
>
> Ah, I see your confusion now. Let me clarify for you.
> No one actually cares about any existing mud servers, except for
> passing references - 'Tiny does this, but not very well' or 'LP does
> this, but I don't have any desire to take it that far'. Most everyone
> here is either writing their own codebase from scratch, or interested
> in completely new kinds of muds. Therefore, of what use to us is
> prattling on about why thus-and-such codebase sucks, and why thus-and-such
> codebase rules?
Unless the prattling is taken from a critical analysis point of view,
analysing the pros and cons of the base, for use apart from it - but you
seem to rule that out by context, rather than not know it. ;)
At any rate, this discussion has kinda been beaten to death now. :)
Regards,
-Matt Chatterley
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"He can't stop us, we're on a mission from Glod!" - Soul Music (Pratchett)
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01561" HREF="msg01561.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 28 Jun 1997, 03:30 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01506" HREF="msg01506.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Meta</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 07:57 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01500" HREF="msg01500.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 02:33 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01531" HREF="msg01531.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 16:14 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01381" HREF="msg01381.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Fri 20 Jun 1997, 15:47 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01484" HREF="msg01484.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 25 Jun 1997, 06:52 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01496" HREF="msg01496.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 01:33 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01539" HREF="msg01539.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
Martin Keegan <a href="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 23:04 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01365" HREF="msg01365.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>,
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