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<LI><em>From</em>: Marian Griffith &lt;<A HREF="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</A>&gt;</LI>
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On Thu 19 Jun, Jeff Kesselman wrote:
&gt; At 09:34 PM 6/18/97 PST8PDT, marian g. wrote:

&gt; &gt;  They want rewards without having to
&gt; &gt;work for them.  But preferably with being given the  -impression- that
&gt; &gt;they have worked fairly hard for it.  

&gt; Um, I disagree here. These games tend to be social interractions, many want
&gt; the admiration of others.  Some less mature personalities jus rtwant the
&gt; attention of others. I DO agree many will take the eeasiest perceived route
&gt; to get there.

Maybe I was a bit too harsh. Probably from visiting a diku that showed
the worst of the above qualities.

&gt; &gt;Maybe I should rephrase that to: "players don't like challenges.  They
&gt; &gt;like results. And preferably those results should come sooner for them
&gt; &gt;than they come for the other players."

&gt; This is teh American competitive training at work. IMO.  I personally feel
&gt; these kidsn of games are a wonderful palce to explore and promote
&gt; NONCOMPETITIVE gaming. And yes, such can and does exist.

I won't comment on americans and their upbringing...
But I'm very glad there are non-competitive games around.
One of the things I am hoping for is to find one that is
not competitive but still shows some of the real qualities
of diku muds. Like having a gameworld where things do
happen without players posing them.

Marian
-- 
Yes - at last - You. I Choose you. Out of all the world,
out of all the seeking, I have found you, young sister of
my heart! You are mine and I am yours - and never again
will there be loneliness ...

Rolan Choosing Talia,
Arrows of the Queen, by Mercedes Lackey


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<LI><strong><A NAME="01254" HREF="msg01254.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, 
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sun 08 Jun 1997, 11:53 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01260" HREF="msg01260.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, 
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Mon 09 Jun 1997, 00:17 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01347" HREF="msg01347.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, 
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Thu 19 Jun 1997, 05:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01351" HREF="msg01351.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, 
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Thu 19 Jun 1997, 12:58 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01364" HREF="msg01364.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, 
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Fri 20 Jun 1997, 05:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01512" HREF="msg01512.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, 
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 10:50 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01554" HREF="msg01554.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, 
Martin Keegan <a href="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</a>, Fri 27 Jun 1997, 20:39 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01626" HREF="msg01626.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, 
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 01 Jul 1997, 08:07 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01247" HREF="msg01247.html">Re: [MUD-Dev]	"short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, 
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sun 08 Jun 1997, 00:17 GMT
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