<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd) --> <!--X-From-R13: [nevna Uevssvgu <telcubaNvnrui.ay> --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in4.ibm.net id 866760676.53284-1 Thu Jun 19 22:51:16 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: Marcel-1.09-0619234943-06cKy&5#Gryphon,knoware.nl --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3.0.2.32.19970618225936.00b49b68#mail,tenetwork.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01363.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01365.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01351.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01512.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01364">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01364">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01364">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Marian Griffith <<A HREF="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:49:43 +0100 (BST)</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Thu 19 Jun, Jeff Kesselman wrote: > At 09:34 PM 6/18/97 PST8PDT, marian g. wrote: > > They want rewards without having to > >work for them. But preferably with being given the -impression- that > >they have worked fairly hard for it. > Um, I disagree here. These games tend to be social interractions, many want > the admiration of others. Some less mature personalities jus rtwant the > attention of others. I DO agree many will take the eeasiest perceived route > to get there. Maybe I was a bit too harsh. Probably from visiting a diku that showed the worst of the above qualities. > >Maybe I should rephrase that to: "players don't like challenges. They > >like results. And preferably those results should come sooner for them > >than they come for the other players." > This is teh American competitive training at work. IMO. I personally feel > these kidsn of games are a wonderful palce to explore and promote > NONCOMPETITIVE gaming. And yes, such can and does exist. I won't comment on americans and their upbringing... But I'm very glad there are non-competitive games around. One of the things I am hoping for is to find one that is not competitive but still shows some of the real qualities of diku muds. Like having a gameworld where things do happen without players posing them. Marian -- Yes - at last - You. I Choose you. Out of all the world, out of all the seeking, I have found you, young sister of my heart! You are mine and I am yours - and never again will there be loneliness ... Rolan Choosing Talia, Arrows of the Queen, by Mercedes Lackey </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01351" HREF="msg01351.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01363.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01365.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01351.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01512.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01364"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01364"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01254" HREF="msg01254.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sun 08 Jun 1997, 11:53 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="01260" HREF="msg01260.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Mon 09 Jun 1997, 00:17 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01347" HREF="msg01347.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Thu 19 Jun 1997, 05:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01351" HREF="msg01351.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Thu 19 Jun 1997, 12:58 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01364" HREF="msg01364.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Fri 20 Jun 1997, 05:51 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01512" HREF="msg01512.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 10:50 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01554" HREF="msg01554.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Martin Keegan <a href="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</a>, Fri 27 Jun 1997, 20:39 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01626" HREF="msg01626.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 01 Jul 1997, 08:07 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01247" HREF="msg01247.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sun 08 Jun 1997, 00:17 GMT </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>