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<LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 04 Jun 97 10:54:52 -0700</LI>
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In &lt;<A HREF="msg01101.html">3.0.32.19970603110403.008f83c0#mail,tenetwork.com</A>&gt;, on 06/03/97 
   at 07:14 PM, Jeff Kesselman &lt;jeffk#tenetwork,com&gt; said:

&gt;...In contrast, in a PvP
&gt;situation, the other players' goal is generally NOT to amuse the
&gt;player they are attacking, it is to amuse THEMSELVES at the potential
&gt;expense of the other player.

However this very process of amusing themselves _can_ be amusing to
the other players.  There is the case where the players of a PvP game
are mutually amused attempting each other's destruction.  Doom arenas
often fit into this category as you are so fond of referencing.  The
gain or loss is no longer the game; the /process/ of winning or losing
as measured by the deaths is the game.  

Listen to a set of death-matchers after a game.  They tend to be both
mutually and self congratulatory for their losses and wins.  "Damn you
got me good back there!  Good game!" and ""Did you see the way I
creamed that guy?"  There's no amusal at the other's expense.  It is a
romp.  Some PK MUDs do this as well (cf Tron where _NO_ character
lives longer than an hour or so).

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<LI><strong><A NAME="01123" HREF="msg01123.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, 
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 07:36 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01084" HREF="msg01084.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, 
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Tue 03 Jun 1997, 13:29 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01103" HREF="msg01103.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, 
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 01:17 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01101" HREF="msg01101.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, 
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 01:01 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01154" HREF="msg01154.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, 
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 05 Jun 1997, 01:00 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01161" HREF="msg01161.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, 
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 05 Jun 1997, 06:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01105" HREF="msg01105.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, 
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 01:23 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01111" HREF="msg01111.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, 
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 02:09 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01136" HREF="msg01136.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, 
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 11:29 GMT
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