<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Reasonable danger [was Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...] --> <!--X-From-R13: [nevna Uevssvgu <telcubaNvnrui.ay> --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in4.ibm.net id 865285127.44796-1 Mon Jun 2 20:58:47 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: Marcel-1.09-0602195746-bc8Ky&5#Gryphon,iaehv.nl --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.96.970601162333.133R-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Reasonable danger [was Alright... IF your gonan </title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01067.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01071.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01014.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00930.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01069">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01069">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01069">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Reasonable danger [was Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...]</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Reasonable danger [was Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...]</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Marian Griffith <<A HREF="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:57:46 +0100 (BST)</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Sun 01 Jun, Matt Chatterley wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 1997, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > > Adam Wiggins wrote: > > > It's fine to have dangerous stuff around (dragons > > > ravaging the land, even) as long as there are ways 'out' for a > > > semi-ingenious player (hiding where the dragon can't see you, running > > > away, whatever). > > And try never, ever, ever to put a level 35-50 area full of aggros > > directly adjoining a level 5-10 area, with nothing more than a sign > > saying 'here is danger' to indicate the change. > Yeah.. it's not only a little artificial (depending how the sign is > worded), but also not very friendly. > Tessalating your areas so that they join onto reasonably close ranged > areas is just common sense - but you need to make it fit in with the rest > of the land too. For instance, if you have a tundra area, with small > animals on it (newbie levels), you can't really affix a level with frost > giants in it, if they're high level monsters, but nor should they be low > level monsters. Heh. :P The solution I liked best, though I haven't seen it implemented ever, was the following. Instead of separating areas by level, each are holds mon- sters of all levels. Including monsters that are pretty much impossible to kill regardless the level and number of players involved. Most of them wander and are aggressive to players. To balance this low level players, and players with poor armour classes, have much better hiding and sneaking skills. So once a low level is out of the baby classes, they have access to a fair collection of skills and spells to hide away from pretty much anything in the game. That way they can explore the game world with reasonable confidence. Even if they are spotted they can make a run for it and hide somewhere. The same is true for players with poor (really poor) armour. E.g. thiefs. The advantage of this is that even high level groups need some low level players to act as scout, because there's allways the chance of running in on one of the truly nasty monsters when you're looking for that juicy fat monster full of gold or equipment you're after. For the low level players the advantage is that they 1- get to know the high level players, and 2- get to know the gameworld. They may even get some semi-decent equipment for their help in scouting. Or help when they have to get out of hiding to fight the low level monsters in the area and risk something walking in on them that's tougher than they can handle. It also has the nice side effect that thiefs and mages have little use of that armour. It will only make them conspicuous to the monsters and they don't have the hitpoints to withstand a frontal with a dragon or somesuch. marian -- Yes - at last - You. I Choose you. Out of all the world, out of all the seeking, I have found you, young sister of my heart! You are mine and I am yours - and never again will there be loneliness ... Rolan Choosing Talia, Arrows of the Queen, by Mercedes Lackey </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01014" HREF="msg01014.html">Reasonable danger [was Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...]</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01067.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Administrative notes</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01071.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Spoken Languages & Food [was RP thesis...]</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01014.html">Reasonable danger [was Alright... 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IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Wed 28 May 1997, 12:02 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00901" HREF="msg00901.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 29 May 1997, 02:12 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01014" HREF="msg01014.html">Reasonable danger [was Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...]</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 01 Jun 1997, 22:19 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01069" HREF="msg01069.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Reasonable danger [was Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...]</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Tue 03 Jun 1997, 03:58 GMT </LI> </LI> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00930" HREF="msg00930.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 29 May 1997, 23:41 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00994" HREF="msg00994.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Thu 01 Jan 1970, 19:34 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01074" HREF="msg01074.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 03 Jun 1997, 08:14 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01093" HREF="msg01093.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Tue 03 Jun 1997, 18:16 GMT </LI> </LI> </LI> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>