<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE... --> <!--X-From-R13: Xrss Yrffryzna <wrssxNgrargjbex.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in4.ibm.net id 865193011.45860-1 Sun Jun 1 19:23:31 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 3.0.32.19970601122607.009d4694#mail,tenetwork.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01017.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01019.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00986.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01031.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01018">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01018">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01018">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Jeff Kesselman <<A HREF="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 12:26:07 -0700</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> ::short hand of applause for Caliban:: Thank you. You have summed up MOST cogently the points I was reachign for. Just two notes; (1) You do ocassionally meet RPers who pwoergame as well as power gamers who RP. The former is usually in my experience because said players came into OLRPG from CRPGs, or played very limiedt and flawed OLRPGS that act liek CRPGS. In CRPG the goal is indeed to "beat the game", one of the biggest reasons why they are NOT roleplay games. The latter is because they have discovered that such is useful in achieving their ultimate goals of power. WHICH btw identifies the real fundemental difference-- the goals of the player. These ultimately color and control everything they do for good or ill. (2) I wanetd to point out again that i DO think you CAN make a game for pwoergamers. The success of games like Duke and Quake even point to the fact that there is a pretty large audiance for same. I do howwever believe that this kidn of game tends to attract and apeal to less mature personalities, so you better be ready ot deal with them and that they will NOT mic with roleplayers and produce anything positive. JK </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01031" HREF="msg01031.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> caliban#darklock,com (Caliban Tiresias Darklock)</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01017.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Quests [was Resets, repops and quests]</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01019.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00986.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01031.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01018"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01018"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] RP/PG examples</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="01086" HREF="msg01086.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP/PG examples</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Tue 03 Jun 1997, 13:50 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00981" HREF="msg00981.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sat 31 May 1997, 11:18 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01023" HREF="msg01023.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Mon 02 Jun 1997, 03:33 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00986" HREF="msg00986.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sat 31 May 1997, 12:46 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01018" HREF="msg01018.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Mon 02 Jun 1997, 02:23 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01031" HREF="msg01031.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Mon 02 Jun 1997, 05:22 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01022" HREF="msg01022.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Mon 02 Jun 1997, 03:09 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01332" HREF="msg01332.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Tue 17 Jun 1997, 04:34 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01333" HREF="msg01333.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Tue 17 Jun 1997, 23:11 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>