<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE... --> <!--X-From-R13: Oqnz Ivttvaf <avtugsnyyNhfre1.vasvpnq.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: from stimpy.globecomm.net [207.51.48.4] by in2.ibm.net id 864708476.144100-1 Tue May 27 04:47:56 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199705270453.VAA15016#user1,inficad.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199705261121.NAA03109#regoc,srce.hr --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00822.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00824.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00807.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00888.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00823">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00823">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00823">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Adam Wiggins <<A HREF="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 26 May 1997 21:53:05 -0700 (MST)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> > > Hmm. My take, contrary to what you might think, is that, beyond a certain > > point, there is no point. And modeling an exact _real_world_ sociology, > > especially with those sort of factors, is a few notches past what I'm > > prepared to do. I mean, what happens to the social model without the Rom > > and the Jews (for Europe alone)? Not to mention the extracontinental > > factors? Physics is one thing, social dynamics is quite another, thank > > you. Too big a can of worms. > > Interesting. I think that many MUSHes do fairly good job at modeling > society. In fact, it tends to be their main strength. Absolutely. > However, it's *very* hard to do without player cooperation and realistic > power levels. (i.e. when one player is unkillable by 1,000,000 newbies, > It doesn't make for social stratification). Yes; more importantly, what do you have to *gain* from killing someone, exactly? Most of the time, you become a hunted criminal and outlaw. On a mud it's a great way to get new clothing. (Is it just me, or do PKers resemble NYC gang members more than anything else?) I still think it's possible to get the social interaction of a role-player combined with the detailed game world of a roll-player. Call me a dreamer.. but I really don't think it's that difficult. </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00904" HREF="msg00904.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Caliban Tiresias Darklock <caliban#darklock,com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00888" HREF="msg00888.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> silovic#srce,hr (Miroslav Silovic)</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00807" HREF="msg00807.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... 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IF your gonan do DESIESE...</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00927" HREF="msg00927.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Thu 29 May 1997, 21:54 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00929" HREF="msg00929.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Thu 29 May 1997, 22:10 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00765" HREF="msg00765.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Sun 25 May 1997, 13:55 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00807" HREF="msg00807.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#srce,hr">silovic#srce,hr</a>, Mon 26 May 1997, 18:16 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00823" HREF="msg00823.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Tue 27 May 1997, 11:47 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00888" HREF="msg00888.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#srce,hr">silovic#srce,hr</a>, Wed 28 May 1997, 16:55 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00904" HREF="msg00904.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 29 May 1997, 02:26 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00995" HREF="msg00995.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Sat 31 May 1997, 17:50 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01072" HREF="msg01072.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Tue 03 Jun 1997, 06:13 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>