<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in3.ibm.net id 864357324.75854-10 Fri May 23 03:15:24 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199705221812.LAA23116#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 338341BE.4DE0CA2D#darklock,com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00702.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00704.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00721.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00709.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00703">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00703">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00703">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 22 May 97 11:04:09 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <<A HREF="msg00680.html">338341BE.4DE0CA2D#darklock,com</A>>, on 05/22/97 at 08:37 AM, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <caliban#darklock,com> said: >AMEN!!!!! I have offered the same two challenges to every C++ >programmer I've met. No one has ever satisfactorily responded. > 1. Show me one thing object oriented programming does which proper > structured programming discipline can not. OO merely adds a different viewpoint and framework to coding. Much very good structured programming is *also* OO in approach. Its not a new or unique technology, its not a new set of previously missing definitions, its a paradign shift which restructures your view and approach to the same old field of programming. > 2. Show me one C++ construct that is impossible to implement in C. Don't be silly. Of course not. If the above challenge were impossible it would not be possible to implement C++ as a translator to C ala Cfront. <<Aside: It might be tough to implement the new dynamic casts, but I haven't checking into them in enough detail>> >The major arguments I receive on this are: > 1. Inheritance. I respond, 'void *parent'. > 2. Methods in classes. I respond, 'int (*method)()'. Which is more or less what Cfront does. Bjarne's original presentation of C++ classes was as structures with in-built function pointers. >I do admit that you can write a program much faster in C++ when you >use the proper class libraries, and C++ can indeed be made much more >readable. But starting from a blank text file and using no class >libraries at all, just the standard C and C++ compiler libraries, I'd note here that the standard C++ library now encludes the IOStreams and STL libraries, which gives you all the collection classes and an extensible IO framework. Your contention was much more supportable a year or two ago. >The benefits of C++ are in code reuse, but code reuse is not always >an appropriate thing, and you have to have some C++ code to reuse >first. True, however the code base for generic re-use is getting large enough that its becoming attractive in its own right. (eg STL, ACE, OSE, Arjuna, etc. See the C++ libraries FAW for other details). -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00709" HREF="msg00709.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> caliban#darklock,com (Caliban Tiresias Darklock)</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00680" HREF="msg00680.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Caliban Tiresias Darklock <caliban#darklock,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00702.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Invite/Introduction....</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00704.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... 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Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 22 May 1997, 09:53 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>