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<LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 27 Apr 97 16:12:01 -0700</LI>
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In <<A HREF="msg00247.html">9704261730.7yk1#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</A>>, on 04/26/97
at 05:39 PM, cg#ami-cg,graysage.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Gray) said:
>It seems that everyone with big ambitions (most of us?) wants to have
>a programming language within the MUD. Makes sense to me. Lots of
>discussions in the newsgroups have talked about using some standard
>pre-existing language (Perl, Tcl, etc.), but I don't know of anyone
>who has actually done that.
The only one I know of that did was PerlMUD, for pretty obvious
reasons.
>Anyone know of a MUD that does? Is there
>some real reason why not, or is it just a case of NIH (Not Invented
>Here) syndrome?
The real problem I see is that the language ends up so closely bound
to your server design that you might as well go with your own
creation. It gets to be a fight to leave the language "pure" and not
do the Microsoft deal and add your own little tweaks to it.
This all to the side: I'd love to see it done, and done well. I
don't know if I will, mostly because all the standardised languages
I've seen are far more complex for the end users than I want mine to
be.
Conversely, I have a feeling that that complexity is unavoidable in
practice (users end up doing nasty things with your code and relying
on side-effects that you hoped they'd not notice), and so attempting
to smooth the learning curve with a simpler language is a lot cause.
Its here where I start to think that what I really need are two
languages: an internal programming language that the world is written
in, which is also accessable to users, and an ultra-simplistic
language, much on the order of DOS batch files for users to do dumb
little things with.
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00279" HREF="msg00279.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Reposts</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00250" HREF="msg00250.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Reposts</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00247" HREF="msg00247.html">Re: MUD languages</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sun 27 Apr 1997, 00:10 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00270" HREF="msg00270.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD languages</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 29 Apr 1997, 06:18 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00246" HREF="msg00246.html">Semaphores, Mutices, fd_sets</A></strong>,
Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 26 Apr 1997, 22:58 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00269" HREF="msg00269.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Semaphores, Mutices, fd_sets</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00296" HREF="msg00296.html">fd_set limitations</A></strong>,
Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Wed 30 Apr 1997, 07:37 GMT
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