<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: from tacitus.globecomm.net [207.51.48.7] by mx4.ibm.net id 861999483.70706-2 Fri Apr 25 20:18:03 1997 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199704251704.KAA13811#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3.0.32.19970424203547.00a11bbc#mail,tenetwork.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00229.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00231.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00213.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00215.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00230">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00230">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00230">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 24 Apr 97 09:39:20 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <<A HREF="msg00213.html">3.0.32.19970424203547.00a11bbc#mail,tenetwork.com</A>>, on 04/24/97 at 11:01 PM, Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com> said: >At 08:12 PM 4/24/97 PST8PDT, you wrote: >>In <<A HREF="msg00193.html">3.0.32.19970423130443.0074a1e8#mail,tenetwork.com</A>>, on 04/23/97 >> at 10:26 PM, Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com> said: >>I would much rather see a game where the sexes are utterly different >>almost if not to the extent of being processed/considered as different >>species. >... >>I'm trying desperately here to remember the SF book where mels were >>physically huge, tended to be move slowly, possessed of enourmous >>strength, resiliance, and endurance, were prone to aggression and ... >Then you arent TALKING about male and female in the human sense. The >question as posed hadno suggestion tha this was anythign other then >humans you were playing.. No. Read it again. I merely gave a non-human example which made the extent of the difference in handling sex explicitly clear. There's no reason the same level of functional difference could not be maintained for a human emulation. >Oh and btw, why can't FEMALES be the large agressive ones and MALES >be the small, long lived ones? Actually they may have been in the book. Its of little importance. When writing the original message I wasn't quite sure and reversed the sexes several times. It would be quite easy to give a good explanation for either position. As a player I wouldn't care as long as the sexual dichotomy were significant. Another possible model would be the ant/bee, where males are both extremely rare and short lived (only produced when a queen is produced, and that only when a queen dies or for a new colony), and females are equally rare but enourmously long lived, and the vast majority is neuter. Similarly the model of various marine wrasses could be followed: All individuals are born female. Only those dominant over their social group internally mutate to become male (lose dominance and they mutate back to female (yes the organs are physically absorbed and new ones produced)). Either model would work quite well for a human scenario given some explained genetic tampering (viral?). >Frnakly it soudsn to me like your >book did nothing mroe then exaggerate and cannonize in "species" the >prevailing myths about males and females already existant in western >society. Quite likely, but unimportant. If you wish you can view it as a reactionary allegory, but that does nothing to change the value of the concept, the concept's principles, or the book itself. >It probably would have offnded me therefor, too. As always, that's your choice. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00213" HREF="msg00213.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00229.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00231.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00213.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00215.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00230"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00230"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00221" HREF="msg00221.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 25 Apr 1997, 23:22 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00212" HREF="msg00212.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 25 Apr 1997, 12:38 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00229" HREF="msg00229.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 26 Apr 1997, 03:13 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00213" HREF="msg00213.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Fri 25 Apr 1997, 12:43 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00230" HREF="msg00230.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 26 Apr 1997, 03:18 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00215" HREF="msg00215.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:casey#NU,cs.fsu.edu">casey#NU,cs.fsu.edu</a>, Fri 25 Apr 1997, 13:00 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00227" HREF="msg00227.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Sat 26 Apr 1997, 02:37 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00238" HREF="msg00238.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Reposts</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Sat 26 Apr 1997, 10:52 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00267" HREF="msg00267.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Reposts</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 29 Apr 1997, 05:48 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>