<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Using system time for ObjectIDs --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: from tacitus.globecomm.net [207.51.48.7] by mx4.ibm.net id 860809311.32530-1 Sat Apr 12 01:41:51 1997 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199704120146.SAA04616#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199704100657.GAA186538#out1,ibm.net --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Using system time for ObjectIDs</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00096.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00099.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00130.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00086.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00097">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00097">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00097">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Using system time for ObjectIDs</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Using system time for ObjectIDs</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 10 Apr 97 18:41:04 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <199704100657.GAA186538#out1,ibm.net>, on 04/09/97 at 11:12 PM, Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com> said: >At 10:08 AM 4/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >>That almost seems too easy and I can't help but think I've missed >>something... >Well, it seems a touch fragile in that it depnds on an external >setting 9the clock0 to always be reasonably correct and unique.... Usually not a problem with a decent NTP daemon. >What about daylight savings tiem in the fall, when the clock gets set >back? Most OS'es (I think even BE falls into this camp, and of course all the *nixes do) allow a system time which does not alter with DST, and then a variant offset from that base time (see the full TZ variable expansions sometime for a laugh). >Also what if the system clock jus rtgets fouled thorugh hardware or >software failure? You are screwed. It could also be easily argued that your system is also seriously screwed as well. I view not having a reasonably accurate system time as a system-panic-worthy catastrophe. >This scheme (dates) is good for short term thing like temp ids or >random seeds but ild be scared to use it long term. Its been working great hear for almost a year -- and that's on a PC with a known slippy clock (and thrice daily synch's to NIST). -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00096.html">Re: Yet Another Introduction</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00099.html">Re: Just a bit of musing</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00130.html">Re: Just a bit of musing</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00086.html">Of disk swapping, database structure & project management..</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00097"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00097"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: Just a bit of musing</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00098" HREF="msg00098.html">Re: Just a bit of musing</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 12 Apr 1997, 08:51 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00111" HREF="msg00111.html">Re: Just a bit of musing</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Sun 13 Apr 1997, 07:55 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00114" HREF="msg00114.html">Fw: Just a bit of musing</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:casey#NU,cs.fsu.edu">casey#NU,cs.fsu.edu</a>, Sun 13 Apr 1997, 09:33 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00130" HREF="msg00130.html">Re: Just a bit of musing</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Mon 14 Apr 1997, 23:13 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00097" HREF="msg00097.html">Using system time for ObjectIDs</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 12 Apr 1997, 08:41 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00086" HREF="msg00086.html">Of disk swapping, database structure & project management..</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 12 Apr 1997, 03:40 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00100" HREF="msg00100.html">Re: Of disk swapping, database structure & project management..</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sat 12 Apr 1997, 11:04 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00102" HREF="msg00102.html">Re: Of disk swapping, database structure & project management..</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 12 Apr 1997, 12:57 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00107" HREF="msg00107.html">Re: Of disk swapping, database structure & project management..</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sun 13 Apr 1997, 00:16 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>