<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: A perspective out of time - the mudreport document --> <!--X-From-R13: @nguna Kbfcr <lbfcrNunjnvv.rqh> --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by mx3.ibm.net id 858997165.55046-1 Sat Mar 22 02:19:25 1997 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.GSO.3.95q.970321160921.15681A-100000@uhunix2 --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, A perspective out of time - the mudreport document</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00167.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00169.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00187.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00207.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00168">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00168">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00168">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>A perspective out of time - the mudreport document</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: Mud Design Mailing List <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: A perspective out of time - the mudreport document</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Nathan Yospe <<A HREF="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:23:43 -1000</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> The document Chris mentioned (See Gods) turned out to be a somewhat dated and extremely enlightening piece of work. As I didn't come into the world of MUDs until late 1994 (having tried Deeper Trouble at the behest of a then DT wiz in 1993 and having found it lacking) much of what the document (UK centric and dated ~1990, it appeared... also phone centric, with little significance taken to the internet) was new to me, and rather interesting, expecially in light of the discountive predictions for LP and TinyMUD lines (and we all know what the real breakdown is, sad to say... LP, Tiny, and Diku, a cheap hardcode clone) I find it interesting how many advanced concepts were being tackled even back then (though their willingness to give credit for as yet unaccomplished claims was amusing) compared to now, where I suspect we (the members of this list) make up a sizable portion of the groundbreaking efforts. What exactly happened? I know some of you have been involved in this for longer than I. Any thoughts? I suppose, from the perspectives provided in the documents, that most of it has been done before, if crudely, and often as part of a failed package. Mention of discreet gridding and coordinate systems, economics, and sophisticated language implementations are made... and yet there are Dikus out there, and most of the mentioned muds are gone (except MUD1, MUD2, Dirt, Shades, and some of the Tinys and LPs... none of which have particularly impressed me.) Or was the document naive or simply viewing through lenses of a less discerning nature than we are today? Whatever the case... somehow we ended up with Nightmare LP, Circle, and ROM. Bleah. __ _ __ _ _ , , , , /_ / / ) /_ /_) / ) /| /| / /\ First Light of a Nova Dawn / / / \ /_ /_) / \ /-|/ |/ /_/ Final Night of a World Gone Nathan F. Yospe - University of Hawaii Dept of Physics - yospe#hawaii,edu </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00167.html">Re: mud grammar</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00169.html">Re: Resets and repops</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00187.html">Old missing posts from old list</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00207.html">A perspective out of time - the mudreport document</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00168"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00168"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: Mixture</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00263" HREF="msg00263.html">Re: Mixture</A></strong>, S001GMU <a href="mailto:S001GMU#nova,wright.edu">S001GMU#nova,wright.edu</a>, Sun 30 Mar 1997, 12:04 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00264" HREF="msg00264.html">Re: Mixture</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Mon 31 Mar 1997, 12:06 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00269" HREF="msg00269.html">Re: Mixture</A></strong>, claw <a href="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</a>, Tue 01 Apr 1997, 09:43 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00187" HREF="msg00187.html">Old missing posts from old list</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Mon 24 Mar 1997, 01:30 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00168" HREF="msg00168.html">A perspective out of time - the mudreport document</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Sat 22 Mar 1997, 10:19 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00207" HREF="msg00207.html">A perspective out of time - the mudreport document</A></strong>, claw <a href="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</a>, Wed 26 Mar 1997, 01:20 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00155" HREF="msg00155.html">Garbage Collector</A></strong>, Artur 'Revinor' Biesiadowski <a href="mailto:abies#pg,gda.pl">abies#pg,gda.pl</a>, Fri 21 Mar 1997, 06:12 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00156" HREF="msg00156.html">EVOLUTION response</A></strong>, claw <a href="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</a>, Fri 21 Mar 1997, 05:44 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00172" HREF="msg00172.html">Re: EVOLUTION response</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 22 Mar 1997, 14:20 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>