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#1 id:52904 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 3:35 pm

I saw this posted on TMC, but I decided to cross-post it here:

"But have a look at dbnu.info:4321. Check out 'help donations'..."

Rabble rabble rabble!?

Seriously, though, policy violations is serious business.
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#2 id:52906 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 3:58 pm

This guy is on my server. I will contact him about it. As of December, he said he wouldn't be back until January.
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#3 id:52908 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 5:22 pm

Was it ever conclusively determined that taking donations actually, legally violates the license? I thought that was still a raging flame war somewhere...
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#4 id:52909 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 5:39 pm

Iccy deemed it against the license in his view for us auditors. But the audit panel is down right now, so...
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#5 id:52910 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 5:49 pm

David Haley said:
Was it ever conclusively determined that taking donations actually, legally violates the license? I thought that was still a raging flame war somewhere...


They're not just taking donations. They're selling in-game stuff in exchange for "donations".
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#6 id:52911 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 5:52 pm

I've sent him a message about it and pointed the link to here.
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#7 id:52912 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 5:57 pm

Ah, well, giving in-game stuff in exchange for donations is much more clearly against the license. That wasn't clear from the OP. (I don't think that Iccy saying this or that is really a legal resolution of the other question, by the way.)
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#8 id:52919 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 6:50 pm

For some odd reason my copy of dbsaga didn't have the copy write files for smaug or Diku or Merc for that matter. I have recently just read the files as soon as tphegley got a hold of me. Rewards will no longer be given out for donations. Please note that I apologize for any problems this may have caused, and it will not happen again. But take ease in knowing that all Donations have went towards the mud, whether it was given to the server owner as a donations for upgrades, paying for the server, or domain name.
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#9 id:52931 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 4:30 am

I don't get why people keep using the word "donation" here. You're not donating anything when you give money to a person in exchange for something else. A donation is given without the expectation of anything in return. It's called a transaction when something is given in exchange for money.
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#10 id:52932 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 7:40 am

I agree with Igabod. If you provide IG things with a respective price, that is selling. Though if someone were to donate an arbitrary amount of cash and you gave them an arbitrary gift they had no certain way of knowing whether or not they would receive then, I think, it becomes a "thank you" gift and not a merchant/customer transaction.
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#11 id:52938 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 10:05 am

Igabod said:
I don't get why people keep using the word "donation" here. You're not donating anything when you give money to a person in exchange for something else. A donation is given without the expectation of anything in return. It's called a transaction when something is given in exchange for money.

That's why I put "donation" in quotes. The only reason the word is used at all is because that's what they were calling it (ie: 'help donation'), trying to skirt the issue.

Mudder said:
Though if someone were to donate an arbitrary amount of cash and you gave them an arbitrary gift they had no certain way of knowing whether or not they would receive then, I think, it becomes a "thank you" gift and not a merchant/customer transaction.

However, that is not the case here. Their 'help donation' entry explicitly laid out what each $1 of "donation" earns for your character.
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#12 id:52940 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 10:19 am

It might be nice if the original post were edited to make it clear that these are not donations -- the OP does not make it clear that these are crystal clear violations, and not the debatable (or at least debated) question of actual donations.
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#13 id:52941 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 2:00 pm

IRL you donate to breast cancer and get a pink ribbon etc.. how would this sort of thing translate into MUDland
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#14 id:52942 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 2:16 pm

I believe that if you got a purely decorative item that did nothing and served no purpose whatsoever other than saying you donated, it would be acceptable. At least, assuming you're in the camp that believes donations are acceptable in the first place...
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#15 id:52943 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 2:21 pm

I've always been of the opinion that accepting donations is fine, so long as all the revenue goes towards hosting costs, advertising, etc., and that no rewards are given in-game (or that would otherwise provide any kind of advantage).

I know of a couple MUDs that have CafePress stores, for example, and I think that's fine too.

Until a real copyright / IP lawyer sits me down and explains it to me in person, I'm going to base my opinions on the spirit of the license, which in my opinion, is that donations are okay as long as they aren't used to thinly veil the purchasing of equipment, levels, etc.

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