Lyanic
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#1 id:52904 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 3:35 pm
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I saw this posted on TMC, but I decided to cross-post it here:
"But have a look at dbnu.info:4321. Check out 'help donations'..."
Rabble rabble rabble!?
Seriously, though, policy violations is serious business.
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tphegley
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#2 id:52906 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 3:58 pm
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This guy is on my server. I will contact him about it. As of December, he said he wouldn't be back until January.
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Lyanic
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#5 id:52910 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 5:49 pm
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David Haley said:Was it ever conclusively determined that taking donations actually, legally violates the license? I thought that was still a raging flame war somewhere...
They're not just taking donations. They're selling in-game stuff in exchange for "donations".
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tphegley
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#6 id:52911 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 5:52 pm
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I've sent him a message about it and pointed the link to here.
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dbna2
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#8 id:52919 Posted Dec 23, 2010, 6:50 pm
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For some odd reason my copy of dbsaga didn't have the copy write files for smaug or Diku or Merc for that matter. I have recently just read the files as soon as tphegley got a hold of me. Rewards will no longer be given out for donations. Please note that I apologize for any problems this may have caused, and it will not happen again. But take ease in knowing that all Donations have went towards the mud, whether it was given to the server owner as a donations for upgrades, paying for the server, or domain name.
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Igabod
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#9 id:52931 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 4:30 am
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I don't get why people keep using the word "donation" here. You're not donating anything when you give money to a person in exchange for something else. A donation is given without the expectation of anything in return. It's called a transaction when something is given in exchange for money.
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#10 id:52932 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 7:40 am
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I agree with Igabod. If you provide IG things with a respective price, that is selling. Though if someone were to donate an arbitrary amount of cash and you gave them an arbitrary gift they had no certain way of knowing whether or not they would receive then, I think, it becomes a "thank you" gift and not a merchant/customer transaction.
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Lyanic
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#11 id:52938 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 10:05 am
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Igabod said:I don't get why people keep using the word "donation" here. You're not donating anything when you give money to a person in exchange for something else. A donation is given without the expectation of anything in return. It's called a transaction when something is given in exchange for money.
That's why I put "donation" in quotes. The only reason the word is used at all is because that's what they were calling it (ie: 'help donation'), trying to skirt the issue.
Mudder said:Though if someone were to donate an arbitrary amount of cash and you gave them an arbitrary gift they had no certain way of knowing whether or not they would receive then, I think, it becomes a "thank you" gift and not a merchant/customer transaction.
However, that is not the case here. Their 'help donation' entry explicitly laid out what each $1 of "donation" earns for your character.
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#15 id:52943 Posted Dec 24, 2010, 2:21 pm
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I've always been of the opinion that accepting donations is fine, so long as all the revenue goes towards hosting costs, advertising, etc., and that no rewards are given in-game (or that would otherwise provide any kind of advantage).
I know of a couple MUDs that have CafePress stores, for example, and I think that's fine too.
Until a real copyright / IP lawyer sits me down and explains it to me in person, I'm going to base my opinions on the spirit of the license, which in my opinion, is that donations are okay as long as they aren't used to thinly veil the purchasing of equipment, levels, etc.
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