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#136 id:49882 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:20 pm

Rarva.Riendf said:
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Since you cannot do the second solution because it is probably 'owned' by someone else, not my fault you live in a stupid country that dont give a #### about their citizens.

This kind of talk is inappropriate for this forum, because it is swearing and political... if you insist on making it political, there is the controversial topics section for this talk.

Heh patent are a political problem in the first place, only in the USA can you patent obvious methods...

You chose to make a very political, and some might say politically offensive, comment. Patents are a general concept that exist in basically every Western country, and many others in the world. Discussing whether or not something is in violation of a patent, or even whether a given patent should exist, is not a political question. Whatever your opinions about US (or French) politics, they do not belong here -- if you want to talk about them, go to the controversial topics section.
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#137 id:49883 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:21 pm

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Rarva, your attitude is why DRM exists. "If I can physically copy it, I'm allowed to" is pretty much what you're saying,

Nope it is not....but I give up, since either you do not want to read what I am writing, or I am not good enough at explaining it.

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#138 id:49884 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:22 pm


Rarva.Riendf said:
Nope it is not....but I give up


how typical
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#139 id:49885 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:23 pm

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or even whether a given patent should exist, is not a political question. .

Then you do not know the state of patents in Europe.
You cannot patent business methods in Europe as you can do in the USA , even if many lobbies want our politics to vote for it.
They try again and again for many years now. It IS a political problem.

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#140 id:49886 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:26 pm

Rarva.Riendf said:
They try again and again for many years now. It IS a political problem.


Your failure to understand intellectual property rules is not a political problem.

It is a deficit of some other kind.

A song being on the radio does not make it yours.

Understand that.

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#141 id:49887 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:27 pm

You are missing the point, Rarva. I suspect that you are understanding the word "political" the wrong way. Obviously, every country has different laws. But when you start insulting a country, you are dramatically changing the discussion. Stating facts such as "in country X1 you can patent Y but in country X2 you cannot" is not really a political statement. You, however, stated political ideology, while insulting others, and that is what belongs in the controversial topics section.
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#142 id:49888 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:36 pm

David Haley said:
You are missing the point, Rarva. I suspect that you are understanding the word "political" the wrong way. Obviously, every country has different laws. But when you start insulting a country, you are dramatically changing the discussion. Stating facts such as "in country X1 you can patent Y but in country X2 you cannot" is not really a political statement. You, however, stated political ideology, while insulting others, and that is what belongs in the controversial topics section.

The conversation is definitely off topic, but patents are a political problem, as patents are backed by law that are voted by politics, and USA tries to force Europe to act with patents the same way USA do. ACTA is proof of that. About insulting, I do not think I am insulting when I talk about a country, and I would not be insulted if you talk about how stupid are our laws and our governement either. Why ? because I cannot do a thing about it....

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#143 id:49889 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:38 pm

Well, I'm glad that you don't find it insulting; nonetheless, please keep such comments to the controversial section.
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#144 id:49890 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:38 pm

Rarva.Riendf said:
Heh patent are a political problem in the first place, only in the USA can you patent obvious methods...


Canada, Britain, Japan, Switzerland ... you name a major country and chances are exceedingly high they have a patent office or some sort of institution as regards patents.  In fact, the original patent that was discussed, was patented first in Japan, and then  in the United States, if I read right.

(Canada: Canadian Intellectual Property Office: http://www.cipo.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/Home )
(Japan: Japan Patent Office: http://www.jpo.go.jp/ )
(Switzerland: Swiss Federal Institute of Intellectual Property: https://www.ige.ch/en.html )

The United States' system, for all its flaws, is probably one of the leading ones in the world.

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#145 id:49891 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 4:45 pm

Rudha said:

The United States' system, for all its flaws, is probably one of the leading ones in the world.

You are even patenting natural living things. Yeah definitely the leading one. You know there are some fields some people definitely do not want to be a leader in...

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#146 id:49893 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 5:02 pm


Rarva.Riendf said:
Rudha said:

The United States' system, for all its flaws, is probably one of the leading ones in the world.

You are even patenting natural living things. Yeah definitely the leading one. You know there are some fields some people definitely do not want to be a leader in...


"I" am not the United States.  Forgetting for a moment that one person cannot ever be representative of a whole country, I am Canadian.  (In case elvenblade.ca didn't give that away :P )

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#147 id:49897 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 9:37 pm

Interesting fact that I didn't know about until about a year and a half ago: various free musical programs you may have seen floating around (if you are American), such as a string quartet giving a concert at a local library, or an orchestra doing a pops concert in the park, are funded primarily by the national musician's union out of an account filled with income from record sales. This income has taken such a dramatic hit in recent times that, when I was told about this, the treasurer predicted that within the next five years no place in America would be able to give publicly free concerts anymore.

I'm not sure what is more sad - the loss of these opportunities to the average citizen, or the fact that the people taking it from them think they are doing no harm.

Also, Rarva, I gather you are not a native English speaker; nonetheless, the word is spelled "deprive". I'm surprised Mr. Haley, being a patent lawyer, didn't mention your repeated misstep.

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#148 id:49898 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 9:47 pm

ATT_Turan said:
I'm surprised Mr. Haley, being a patent lawyer, didn't mention your repeated misstep.

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#149 id:49899 Posted Aug 22, 2010, 10:01 pm

David has a soft spot for french sensibilities.  That's why he's soft playing.

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#150 id:49901 Posted Aug 23, 2010, 12:35 am

Rudha said:
Canada, Britain, Japan, Switzerland ... you name a major country and chances are exceedingly high they have a patent office or some sort of institution as regards patents.  In fact, the original patent that was discussed, was patented first in Japan, and then in the United States, if I read right.

The United States and Japan both allow software patents.  Europe doesn't (at least not directly, although of course it's never quite that simple).

On a more general note...

Personally I'm not a fan of software patents, but this is the Legal Issues forum, and if someone asks for advice about a patent I think it's highly irresponsible to suggest they ignore it.  In an ideal world you'd speak to a lawyer before making any important legal decisions, but that's rarely a financially viable option for a hobby developer, which is why we end up seeing questions like this.  We may not be lawyers, but we should still try to stick to verifiable legal facts, and not start suggesting courses of action based on personal moral/ethical opinions.
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